Robert Poste's Child

I should think champagne is what's needed in your house, not pizza. And the police got a Saturday afternoon audience, too, which can't be bad.

Looks like they just got them! Three police are holding two men in handcuffs outside Dulwich Cafe opposite PO right now...

He was even in the first Hangover film.

In France it's presumably also fuelled by the legacy of Algeria. French cinema has produced many films on the tensions in the suburbs. I guess most Western European countries have their own version of this.

Similar arguments to those in the T'graph piece were made in relation to the IRA in the 80s. Take action against an oppressor and a strongly repressive response gives you evidence. Works as long as the trigger event is plausible enough to both sides. At the time of the London riots a couple of years back I wondered if this was why it took the police a couple of days to clamp down. At a lower level it's also sometimes evident - just my opinion obviously - in many 'rights' debates - provoking a reaction that proves your point. A good example is the to me very dubious 'slut walk'.

Alan Medic Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Robert Poste's Child Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Different circumstances it seems - mainly that > she > > arrived with him and he left openly via the > main > > reception, in the process asking the porter to > > keep an eye on her, so perhaps it was felt that > he > > could more reasonably have believed her to have > > consented. > > How could she have been in any condition to > consent if she was so out of it? You may have to read the court report if you want to know all the evidence and how the judge directed the jury.

Lee Hughes has also been convicted since he came out of prison for a sexual assault, so hardly rehabilitated.

Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I don't understand why an appeal was denied. > This summarises the basis of the appeal and why it was rejected. http://ukcriminallawblog.com/2012/11/28/ched-evans-appeal-refused/

Different circumstances it seems - mainly that she arrived with him and he left openly via the main reception, in the process asking the porter to keep an eye on her, so perhaps it was felt that he could more reasonably have believed her to have consented.

As I understand it, he received a fair trial, was found guilty and was subsequently also refused the right of appeal on the grounds that, although there was no force, violence or injury involved, the girl was clearly not in any condition to be able to give consent. Given the court had independent evidence of how drunk she was, it's hard to see that he has a case at the moment. Surely if he had any real evidence he would have used it already, so presumably any new case would depend on some kind of legal weaseling. In my view the context isn't helping him - he booked a room, apparently with the intention of picking up a girl and using it for sex, lied to the receptionist to get a key, had sex with a girl he hadn't met before who was clearly horribly drunk (straight after someone else), for a while being filmed, abandoned her once he'd used her despite knowing she was ill, then let himself out of the hotel in a secretive way. While of course that's not evidence of planning to commit rape, it's certainly predatory.

I'll have to take your word for that, Mustard - I've never been able to face cycling up it! For people, how about Herne Hill Sunday market - more of a market feel than North Cross Rd - or Brixton Village.

Great views from Brockwell Park to central London, like south London's answer to Primrose Hill. Some interesting features too. The walked gardens are like an oasis. Green spaces in a city are fascinating. How about the Surrey Canal Path between Peckham Library and Burgess Park (both also very photographable), including the stable with a couple of horses halfway down that seem to be a relic of a much earlier era. Or the Dawson Heights estate, which from a distance looks like a monumental gateway, especially at night when it's lit up. A lot depends on your own interests. You could do a really interesting juxtaposition of images of pubs, for example - some closed, some hippified, a few relics etc.

Eltham.

The brown recycling bin.

The underside of the blade on a hand-blender is completely impossible.

My spare tyre has gone down slightly. Missing the afternoon tea slot that you get used to over the break though.

Today's Popbitch says just because Oldham said no, that doesn't mean Ched Evans will take it as an answer.. Weirdly I think they may be right.

Now Oldham's pulled out, a likely next step for Ched Evans if he still refuses to acknowledge any responsibility could be reputation rehab via a Martin Bashir style stage-managed confessional, or the more usual route of a celebrity reality show, to humanise him and gain sympathy.

I noticed that Timpsons has a sign outside saying if you're unemployed and have a job interview they'll dry clean your outfit for free. That's such a thoughtful and generous thing to do.

Herne Hill must be a contender - next door to Sainsbury's and never busy.

Not sure the terms are to die in a ditch over but if it helps force a conversation that results in some controls over the rental side of the housing market then a good thing possibly?

For anyone who is interested, there is a petition underway for a rent cap in London. Their arguments are that, in addition to supporting those who can't afford to buy, it would discourage buy-to-let, which would in turn get some housing stock back onto the market, and massively reduce the huge amount of housing benefit that currently ends up in the private sector. Click the link below to sign. http://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/introduce-a-rent-cap-in-london

You really are horrible sometimes, El Pibe.

maxxi Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Having not seen the post in question it seems rich > to approve the removal of the post and then to > detail its content by accusing the poster of > "gleefully turning the death of a real person into > a sleazily sexual slur in order to shame and > ridicule a forumite" which can't possibly be > defended unless the post is re-issued with > explanations. Unless you just mean to stir it. I don't think it should be brushed away without comment. Not even sure I would accept a moderator's viewpoint on this one given it involves sometime moderator(s) doing as they like for their own amusement, or at least that's how I feel right now - quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Pretty disgusted, really.

Glad to see you removed your posts, both the offensive original and the schoolboy sniggering and egging-on that followed. They neatly brought this thread full circle by demonstrating that the attitude some people have mentioned is still alive and well, which is a pity when you could have used the thread to build bridges. It's not lost on me either that there is a massive dichotomy between your PC as-a-husband-and-father posts on the Ched Evans thread and you gleefully turning the death of a real person into a sleazily sexual slur in order to shame and ridicule a forumite you don't agree with. That really is pretty low. Reminds me why I left the forum.