TheCat

Why is it that uncovered cakes and vegetables at a supermarket are YUCK? But uncovered cakes and veegatbles at a saturday morning 'farmers market' are fine? Particualrly since once usually pays double the price for the latter.

Seabag Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Nigel Farag interviews Don Trump for this world > exclusive on GB NEWS > > https://apple.news/AJMdK5johTZy-sXNGjjgCJA > > Utterly fascinating journalism. > > On a side note. Has DT actually got a real tan > now, from the Florida sun? Seem like Mr Farage went to the same interview school as Ophrah Winfrey.....

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Sorry Cat - that is just a word salad without any > real meaning. And exposes you as a little more > extreme than even I had figured I guess it took you 23 minutes to find meaning in my 'word salad' then:) I hardly think its 'extreme' to think that the world is constantly changing/evolving.... DogKenell's scottish example is a great example of exactly what I mean.

@ Sephiroth I bet if I had asked you about the state of the country at the start of June 2016, you wouldnt have desctibed it as 'propspering'..... A known quantity??...sorry I have to stridently disagree...when it comes to ecosystems as complex and variable as national/global economies and politics, there is no such this as the 'status quo'. Sure, you might prefer more certainty than someone who voted leave, but its a sliding scale (somewhat unknown versus a bit more than somewhat unknown), not a binary comparison (known versus unknown). Dont kid yourself that EU membership would have meant 'everything stays the same'....I mean come on...over the past 20 odd years, you probably couldnt pick another part of the OECD that has seen more volatility/uncertainty than the collective EU member states. At least outside of the EU, the UK's volatility is its own, not inexcroably liniked to the ups and downs of 27 other nations. Yes, often there is strength in a diverse portfolio, but the UK as one of the stronger, richer nations within the EU was invariably not the benficiary of this pooled approach to volatility. So..in short...I am still confident in my view that every remainer would have had a slightly different view of the future in their head when they voted, just as all leavers would have as well.. Anyway...finally, to your points about 27 other countries not doing it...Im not really sure how that has anything to do with the topic of remainers likely all looking at slightly different outcolmes in 5 years time? or how that proves Im making a facile arguement? (perhaps a good example of that whataboutery that I have accused you of)

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > TheCat Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > Do all labour voters have exactly the same view > on > > specifics of every policy they want > implemented? > > > If I voted for a Labour Gov and they then > proceeded to royally screw up, failed to deliver > on promises etc, I would stick my hand up in the > air and say I was wrong to vote for them, not look > for a convenient Get Out of Jail card because I > didn't agree with certain things in their > manifesto. > > It's called collective responsibility... How very noble of you. Its interesting you pick that example of the two I liste, given how well Labour and its supporters are known for their collective togetherness:) Anyway....i've made this poiint before, which constantly gets swatted away by the angyr mob...but you have to seperate the concetn of Brexit with how its being implemented - and on that point I'll concede that they government are not doing enough to make brexit a success (and as I've said since consistently since 2016, I've never liked this government, and who they are and what they 'promised' had very little influence on my referendum vote). That doesnt invalidate the fact that there are opprunities that can be taken which are not (or at least, not yet). Lets hypothesise that Labour win teh next election in a few years...but they also pledge not to reverse Brexit as it would be electoral suicide.....so they will be the one's takign action for the bettrerment or otherwise of the country...the same opporuntities and drawbacks will be open to them as are open to the Tories now....will we be able to seperate the two then?

You do know that the OBR long run GDP forecast which you love to trumpet don't call for decline at all? The OBR expects GDP to be 4percent lower due to Brexit thanThen would otherwise. But still positive trend growth. So I'm not sure what figures you're using to justify the repeated claim of continual decline. As an aside, there are many serious economists that question the OBR's methodologies in getting to that figure. But in anycase 4 percent different on a long term forecast???....that's well within a margin for error for any long term forecast, so not sure if it's something to get ones knickers in a twist over.

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > My own view...is that the first few years would > alwasy be the toughest, and we would see some > short term pain before the opening up of longer > term opportunity. > > And if that doesn't materialise we all know what > follows. > > That wasn't my Brexit > > And so it goes on... Um yeah....that's how the world works...everyone has a different opinion/views...and when it comes to elections or referendums...those views have to get squeezed into the available options... Do all labour voters have exactly the same view on specifics of every policy they want implemented? Did all remainers have the exact same view of what the country and EU relationship would look like in 5 years, had we of remained? Of course not.

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The real bellwether about whether Brexit has been > good or not is how much, or in this case, how > little it's proponents 'big it up'. Where are all > the Brexit cheerleaders telling us how good it's > been? Their relative silence speaks volumes... Well....moving past the 'there is only upside' quote that keeps getting trundled out about 'what was promised'..... My own view (and I think even my harshest critics must attest I've been consistent on this, even if they dont like it) is that the first few years would alwasy be the toughest, and we would see some short term pain before the opening up of longer term opportunity. So yeah....anyone sensible who shares my view probably isnt beating their chests and cheerleading right now, as that should never realy have been expected. Some people may mock this view with the 'jam tomorrow' type lines. But its a legitimate position to take (again, even if you dont like it); and if the goverbnment actually gets off their @rse to start delivering on some of the potentioal (like rolling back Mifid II and GDPR, for example) then the benefits of those actions will indeed take time to filter through. Thats not me 'avoiing the real impacts', its ackowledging them, and being pragmatic about when we might actually see overall really benefits (I spoke earlier in the thread about economies taking to to adjust). In that context I think its churlish to see comments on here constantly asking 'where's the sunlit uplands?' after 11 months, and jumping on any bad news with a 'Ha, we told you so ferocity!' As an aside, since some posters on here are so big on 'what was promised'....The fire and mayhem promised by many on the remaine side hasnt really come to pass either has it? Yes there have been problems (dare I say, 'teething issues'), and there still are more to negotiate. But the country hasnt gone to hell in a handbasket, despite its many problems and challenges( and no...those sort of apocolypitc forecast werent just associated with a 'No deal' outcome). To pre-empt the expected response, yes....you will be able to point to things that remainers warned would happen, that have happened; but equally you can point to a bunch of remainer predictions that havent.....so perhaps no side has delivered on what they promised, and we should just let that go and look forward...

It seems that Sally Hamwee has never been to the US or Australia, or the multitude of other countries that aren't in the EU and have for years required completion of an online visa-waiver type process. While I'm supportive of Brexit, I am under no illusion that it's perfect/all sunlit uplands....and within that context there are other areas where brexit presents actual important risks and challenges that could be raised. So this article just seems like gratuitous moaning, becuase travelling to EU counties will be a 'bit of a faff' compared to what it was previously.... But actually it won't be all that different from how UK citizens have always travelled to countries in the non-EU world for decades.... As an aside...why is it the UK govt responsibility to make sure people are 'prepared' to arrange visas required for travel to a foreign country? Did the UK govt 'prepare' citizens when the US introduce the ESTA system?

Sephiroth constantly twisting the focus of the discussion with general 'whataboutery" to avoid ever having to make any concessions on anything. That's a fact too.

You can think or believe that its the wrong decision - based on your view the millions of different things that feed into the end result There are many people who do. That's very different from what you said above. One's thoughts on brexit form a view, or set of expectations...brexit is not a 'fact' - like the law of gravity.

Such a massively complicated economic, political and cultural issue with endless different strengths, weaknesses, threats and opportunities. But...some random bloke of who posts on a community message board has boiled it down to a binary outcome. Right or wrong. That's quite a feat given most of anyone's views on brexit (either for or against) are based on assumptions and forecasts of how things will end up (I.e. they haven't happened yet) Your comparison with 'gravity' is laughable.

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "You spent months earlier this year regularly > posting anti-brexit soundbites on here when no one > else was replying/engaging > > But 'Catty' does the same and it's juvenile. > > What's juvenile is mocking the idea that it takes > years for an economy to adjust to such a seismic > change...much more fun to just jump on any bad > news as 'evidence' that you were right and others > were wrong..... > " > > > there is so much wrong with this > > I post multiple example of how brexit is a shit > idea - because it is > > Catty doesn't "do the same" at all. There are no > endless posts of Catty (or anyone) going "see this > is how brilliant It is" > > What you DO post is bad-faith articles or > extremely dubious origin and speculative nonsense. > Banjaxing a countries economy because someone > speculates "see it WILL BE A FEDERATED EUROPE" is > not a rational or balanced action > > The economy of the UK isn't going to magically > "adjust" over a decade or two. Or ever (and as DR > points out - that wasn't what was promised. That > certainly isn't what 52% voted for even if you > did) > > The Uk economy will only adjust in a positive way > if it stops pretending there are no problems and > engages properly with EU countries - as it is we > have had nothing but UK blaming EU for everything. > > > Why can't you admit that the UK economy is more > likely to adjust in a negative way? The answer is > because your brain won't allow you to admit you > done f**ed up. Because you, and the 52%, and this > govt, have done exactly that > > (the one thing this week that could demonstrate > the benefit of UK leaving EU - treating refugees > with more care than EU does, is exactly at odds > with the main driving force of brexit itself) More hilarity. Allow me to paraphrase... "I am just a righteous truth teller, but anyone who says something I personally disagree with is juvenile or acting in bad faith'

Replying to DR.... As I've said the past few times you've quoted that same line. Anyone who believed such nonsense truly is misguided. Do you genuinely believe that the majority of leave voters merrily thought that there would be no downsides/challenges/friction/risks? But I suppose to be fair, there plenty of remainers who believe there is 'not one good thing about brexit'.....which is equally as misguided as beleiving your quote above.

Dogkennelhillbilly Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Your second sentence explains why the first > sentence won't happen. Yep. Fair. I really don't get the rationale for such a concept, a view which I expect is shared by many.

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > amazing after the shitshow of the last few weeks, > from mediocre GOP, awful CBI speech, forecasts of > permanent 4% hit t UK economy directly due to > Brexit, horrendous treatment of refugees and tone > deaf reactions to France and Ireland, Catty > resurrects this thread with juvenile > Spectator-lite garbage > > still jam tomorrow > > Even Fraser Nelson in Telegraph is (badly) > wondering if Brexit wasn't so smart after all You do make me laugh. You spent months earlier this year regularly posting anti-brexit soundbites on here when no one else was replying/engaging But 'Catty' does the same and it's juvenile. What's juvenile is mocking the idea that it takes years for an economy to adjust to such a seismic change...much more fun to just jump on any bad news as 'evidence' that you were right and others were wrong..... Anyway...perhaps take a leaf out of DogKennelHillBilly's book and actually comment on the issue I raised....

As if to confirm why the UK left the EU, the new coalition Government in Germany has promised to advance a constitutional process "leading ultimately to a European Federal State". Ignoring opposition from Poland, Hungary and indeed the majority of parties in France, the Coalition says 'time is calling for it' and 'people are waiting for it'. What 'people' they are referring to is quite unclear....

j.a. Wrote: ----------------------------------------------------. Other people just don?t > like the idea of a woman in a role that they see > as the preserve of a man and generally speaking > I?m suspicious of that viewpoint. There?s plenty > of examples of that these days. I don't know if much objection would be about the role being the 'preserve' of a man. More that James Bond is a male character..it was written as a male character from conception. So it just seems unnecessarily gimmicky to have a 'female bond'. By all means, create a story about a female super spy, who loves to seduce and discard a conveyor belt of men (or women, or whoever, depending on her preference!)...I see absolutley no problem with that...you could even put that character into a film with James Bond also in it if you really wanted to. But it does seem like much of the push to change a male character into a female character has more to do with making a cultural point about equality, than actually about improving the character or potential storylines...as the laziness with the screenwriting on female Ghostbusters or female oceans eleven would seem to attest... Perhaps making the cultural point is what some people want out of the film industry, in which case, fair enough. But I'd assume that most people just want to be entertained irrespective of what gender the characters are...

Exactly. Think how successful Bridesmaids was. Think how unsuccessful the female Ghostbusters film was.

Fair enough. lets move from bankable cheese adverts to cheesy bank adverts......I think this one has to be up there.... "By the side of a nation that stands together"...[retch]....they clearly havent seen much of the EDF before coming up with that line:) EDIT: I've also just seen this year's John Lewsi Xmas ad (otherwise known as "ET 2")....it certainly deserves an honrouable mention for cringworthiness...

The definitive list.....although I may have misinterpretted your post....:) https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/the-dairymen/10-of-the-most-memorable-cheese-adverts-throughout-the-ages/658975.article

Noon instead of midday.

I had something simialr happen a few months back, and unfrot ended up having to hit a lot of 'forgot your password?' Links over the following few weeks!.....be interested if there is a secret cache somewhere where they could be recovered...

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Cat likes to paint himself as a reasoned thinker, > that before the referendum he was open minded as > to which way to vote, so went away and looked into > both sides' arguments in great detail. > > Then concluded that it would indeed be tough > leaving the EU but at least it enabled 'policy > change'. > > Then proceeded to bet the house on nothing more > than the presumption that a competent Gov would > come along and save the day, and yes, he cited a > 10-year plan. > > Not forgetting his subsequent support for No Deal. > > > Reasoned thinker my arse... Imagine being on the same side as Diable Rouge....

j.a. Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > TheCat Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Imagine being on the same side as Hollie.... > > > > > > Imagine being on the same side as Farage, Tice, > Widdecombe, Moylan, Liddle, Mummery and the entire > editorial staff of the Telegraph? > > Both sides have some dubious elements, that?s a > blame game which will go to sunrise and beyond. 100percent agreed. That was the point I was making, as Seph constantly refers to 'being on the same side' as some dodgy individuals, like its an actual argument.