TheCat

Blah Blah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Crossed post with you there Sue but totally agree. I totally agree. They were a last resort as a temp measure. Mrs Cat has a phobia, so much so, that she couldn't come downstairs in her own house knowing 'they' may have been there. We have used a company called 'superproof' who do such a better job blocking up all the holes than a standard pest control company (you pay for it)....but for the few weeks we had to wait for an appointment, a 'wall' of glue traps was the only way she would set foot in the kitchen. As the one who had to put the handful in that time out of their misery that were caught in the glue traps.....I don't recommend them if there are other alternatives that you can live with. But being utilitarian about it. They are effective.

The sticky boards/glue traps are by far the most effective I've found. They are also arguably the least humane......but they certainly do the job of catching them (and will catch multiple critters)...but invariably you will have to dispatch them yourself in morning, or whenever you check them....which can be rather unpleasant. Put them end to end (no gaps) between where you think they come from and where you think they want to get to.....

Ummm....so...you're saying that I acknowledge downsides of my view, and also point to some of the upsides... And somehow that is unreasonable for you?

Blah Blah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > diable rouge Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > You're certainly a gambler Cat, and a reckless > one > > at that. > > I'm afraid you're going to have to dismiss the > > first 5 years of that 5-10 year plan of yours, > > given that the 'muppets' that delivered Brexit > > are, surprise, surprise, still in charge, and > > might well be for the full 10 years. Then what? > > > > I note no mention of the social impact Brexit > is > > having, in particular as Seph alludes to, > Northern > > Ireland and the peace process, all foreseen. Is > > that a price worth paying for your concept, > > acceptable collateral damage (no pun intended)? > > Which reminds me, you wouldn't have been living > > here during the Troubles, it wasn't nice, even > on > > the Mainland. Will it need a couple of > terrorist > > bombs to go off in London to make you sit up > and > > notice? > > > > I thought that you could've at least pointed me > in > > some direction beyond a simplistic 'concept', > say > > a Norway style deal that would've at least > > addressed the issue of NI. A half-way house > > reflecting the closeness of the vote, gave both > > sides the opportunity to either later form > closer > > ties with the EU or pull further away, > depending > > how things went. Surely that's more in keeping > > with a 5-10 year plan than living in hope that > one > > day a more competent Gov might or might not > rock > > up... > > And to be clear, THIS is the post Cat has avoided > responding properly to for an entire page while he > plays his usual silly games of deflection and > troll psychology. > > So Cat, will it really need a couple of terrorist > bombs to go off for you to understand how > precarious this all is for the GFA? Or do you > genuinely not give a hoot. Well apparently you read all my posts properly..so you should know that I already discussed this on the other brexit thread recently. Where I specifically expressed concern about the situation in NI....and stated that despite the recovery in trade in Feb being a clear positive, the NI station was a worry. But in case you missed it...now you know. What question would like answered next? PS; You'll also notice on that thread that there were some questions which I have asked of others, which remain unanswered. I'm sure you're just about to take others to task for not addressing the points being discussed...as you have done here with me....

If you spent as much effort discussing the topic rather than discussing me and my posting style you might actually have a case to rest. I'd like to try to stay on topic, but I don't really know what you want me to say. Even sephiroth has acknowledged that I have previously acknowledged job losses and downsides. So I don't know how you expect me to actually adress your 'case'...when your main point above seems to be that "there wasn't even any acknowledgement of job losses"....how many times would you like me to concede the same point?

It's funny how people are only egotistic/exhausting/passive aggressive when they disagree with you. It's very easy to gloss over the same characteristics/flaws in other people's posts when one agrees with what they are saying. The number of times you've chosen to not reply/change the topic/make wild assumptions when faced with an argument you can't or won't engage with is quite long.... So please be careful about throwing too many of those stones.

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You have acknowledged job losses and downsides yes > cat. But as I?ve said repeatedly if Brexit was > sold as your version it wouldn?t have passed. > > In the wider world, your version of Brexit simply > is not what was sold That may indeed be true. But I have my own reasons and rationale for supporting brexit (again, as I've said many times). But as one of the few vocal leavers on this forum, it appears all remainer rage at any and all leavers can often be focussed on my comments, regardless of what has actually been said. I really don't care what was written on the side of a bus, or how distasteful some other leaver supporters may or may not be. I find some prominent remain supporters to be quite odious, but I hope I"'ve never conflated them with you. I find you odious for completely independent reasons:)

Sure. Even though all the words above are copy and paste from what 'you guys' have said when anyone post something a bit lighthearted. But when someone who disagrees with the EDF zeitgiest posts it, it's "whataboutery trolling" Of course, when you guys post it, it's just fighting the good fight.... Understood. 'Debate like an adult'...God you make me laugh. And the funniest thing is you actually are serious. If you actually read and listened to anything I personally have said over the years, you wouldn't be claiming rubbish like "there wasn't even any acknowledgement of job losses". You seemingly would prefer to 'debate' against a charactiture of what you think a leaver is, rather than what I (and some others) have actually said on here. But to be fair that would involve actual thinking, so sorry if asking too much. I dont know how many times I've acknowledge various drawbacks of brexit. Of course there are. But to then be constantly told that 'no one acknowledge any downside, not even one" and 'there are no positives about brexit, not one' just shows a lack of any intention to have this 'grown-up' debate you apparently so crave....

I can't believe you guys can be so flippant when people are losing their livelihood. Unforgivable. But of course none of you are fishermen. Jesus wept You should be prosecuted

No. Labour can't get anywhere near power becuase they're usually just a bit sh1t.

I'm going to guess that most people on this forum support decarbonisation of the economy, and alignment with the Paris COP 2 degree limit. I'm also guessing they're not crying tears for the coal miners losing their livelihoods, becuase they believe in the overall greater good of such aims. Similarly most leavers will believe in the overall greater good of brexit for the Uk...and know that some people will be negative impacted. Every political or economic decision has winners and losers. This strawman that many remainers seem to have created, claiming that leave supporters were all saying there would be no downside and sunlit uplands for everybody, is exactly that. A strawman. No matter how successful (or not) brexit will end up being, you will always be able to point to someone, somewhere that has been disadvanatged. Particularly with such a massive change like leaving the EU. Industries and society will evolve, some people will lose their livelihood, some will gain new ones, how it all evolve will depend a lot on policy over the next 5-10 years as I've said almost ad nauseam.

Well mark this down the 697-th thread initially about something totally unrelated which has been turned into another Brexit p1ssing match.....

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You're certainly a gambler Cat, and a reckless one > at that. > I'm afraid you're going to have to dismiss the > first 5 years of that 5-10 year plan of yours, > given that the 'muppets' that delivered Brexit > are, surprise, surprise, still in charge, and > might well be for the full 10 years. Then what? > > I note no mention of the social impact Brexit is > having, in particular as Seph alludes to, Northern > Ireland and the peace process, all foreseen. Is > that a price worth paying for your concept, > acceptable collateral damage (no pun intended)? > Which reminds me, you wouldn't have been living > here during the Troubles, it wasn't nice, even on > the Mainland. Will it need a couple of terrorist > bombs to go off in London to make you sit up and > notice? > > I thought that you could've at least pointed me in > some direction beyond a simplistic 'concept', say > a Norway style deal that would've at least > addressed the issue of NI. A half-way house > reflecting the closeness of the vote, gave both > sides the opportunity to either later form closer > ties with the EU or pull further away, depending > how things went. Surely that's more in keeping > with a 5-10 year plan than living in hope that one > day a more competent Gov might or might not rock > up... Yes, my real name is Kenny Rogers.....

It is a thrill to prove you wrong. I admit it. But it's just so easy....

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > People who voted remain are not in any way > equivalent to those who voted leave Yes. You are just better people. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

This should stir some of you up.... https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/04/30/the-remainers-were-wrong-about-literally-everything/

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Are you happy with the Brexit we've ended up with > Cat, if not, what did you want instead? > I can't recall Leave voters on here criticising > the deal much, if at all, which kinda gives the > impression that you're all happy with it despite > it's flaws. > Was it more important that Brexit was 'done' > regardless of the details?... Happy enough. Ive said it many times, most sensible leavers (and yes, they were joined by many non sensible leavers, but the same is true of both sides) voted on concept....so the details of how its transpired are important, but by the by in the grand scheme. As that economist i posted a link to last week said, the success or otherwise will be determined by the policy decisions over the next 5-10 years. The Uk now has the opportunity to benefit from that (i.e. AI, Digital Currency), but whether they do or not remains to be seen....i dont have much hope with these muppets in charge, but that doesnt kybosh the whole idea.....

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > of course it isn't > > But if I supported Anything and found that same > thing was also aggressively supported by a bunch > of clowns like this? I'd reconsider like remain? (come on that was a gift:))

I am obviously in a very niche minority of supporting brexit, and disliking this govt.....but while support for the two is often coincidental, it is by no means mandatory....

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > My point is this. People who say ?you lot are > attacking Johnson but people just don?t care? > might well be (currently) correct > > That in no way diminishes the problem at hand No it doesn't. But I was trying to address the various handwringing that goes on here about 'why' people would support this govt. As far as my personal opinion goes....i mean its a total joke....in the annals of history this govt will be remembered as a lightest of lightweights.....

i dont know why i bother

Believe it or not....I didn't vote for Boris. And despite my various views on here, I am not a 'died in the wool tory'..... But....I think one of the reasons 'people' don't care about these issues as much as many of you would like.... Is that the hysteria every time Boris cuts a fart means when he actually does fuck up (like now)....people have lost interest..... Not saying it's right. But unfort it's how it is I think.

"If you don't believe me, google it" brilliant.

snowy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So The Cat didn?t get the cream? Perhaps not. The Cat did actually read the article past the headline though.

Seabag Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Dairy is going well... > > Erm....maybe not > > > https://www.farminguk.com/news/uk-dairy-exports-to > -eu-plunged-96-in-january_57817.html > > Sales of milk and cream to the EU are down an > extraordinary 96 per cent ? and chicken and beef > by almost 80 per cent ? because of Brexit, new > figures show. > > Overall, the trade barriers erected in Boris > Johnson?s deal have cost exporters more than > ?1.1bn since the start of the year, The Food and > Drink Federation says. Im surprised you've posted a link to an article which quotes analysis that clearly concludes that Brexit is NOT the main cause of fall in dairy volume exports in January....perhaps you're coming around to the whole idea?:)