TheCat

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Today?s update > > ? After reporting for decades from international > conferences I cannot personally remember a British > Prime Minister being regarded with such disdain > bordering on contempt. In the 90s Major was dubbed > Dr. No for blocking EU decisions, but he was still > respected. Not the case with BJ? I guess Grahame Lucas didn't ask the French people their opinion.... "According to a recent poll, commissioned by the Gaullist Le Mill?naire think tank, Boris Johnson is France?s favourite national politician, with 51 per cent of the French having a favourable opinion of him. This puts him well ahead of Emmanuel Macron (33 per cent), Marine Le Pen (28 per cent), or the current likely conservative presidential candidate, Xavier Bertrand, 29 per cent"

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > TheCat Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > diable rouge Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > "Re-subscribes" > > > > > > 'Unsubscribes' was shorthand for ''don't > bother > > > wasting your time replying as I can't be > arsed > > > engaging with your fuckwittery'', and wasn't > a > > > bail-out of the thread as a whole. > > > > > > You're not as insightful as you like to think > > you > > > are... > > > > Lighten-up pal. Believe it or not I somehow > > managed to crack your enigma code. Its a joke. > > I don't believe it. > That was your cue to post *Unsubscribes...* > Get with the project...pal Raawwrrr....maybe you should be called TheCat....

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "Re-subscribes" > > 'Unsubscribes' was shorthand for ''don't bother > wasting your time replying as I can't be arsed > engaging with your fuckwittery'', and wasn't a > bail-out of the thread as a whole. > > You're not as insightful as you like to think you > are... Lighten-up pal. Believe it or not I somehow managed to crack your enigma code. Its a joke.

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Pretty disingenuous to say the 'excitement' was > about the WA as a whole and not specifically the > NIP, especially when you consider the Irish border > problem was THE reason why we were hurtling > towards a No Deal scenario, the proverbial can > that got kicked down the road over several years, > that led to a couple of extensions and even the > fall of a PM. > > It's like all the cheering and backslapping that > greeted Johnson's breakthrough walk-in-the-garden > moment with the Taoiseach and the subsequent > dashed meetings to Brussels never happened... "Re-subscribes"

j.a. Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > ? . Im not sure who all these people are you're > referring to who trumpeted how amazing the NIP > was??...? > > You don?t remember the entire hierarchy of the > Tory party, plus people like, ooooh, Kate Hoey and > Nigel Farage, plus The Telegraph, Express, Sun and > Mail, all cheerleading for it? You don?t remember > poll after poll showing how people just wanted to > ?get Brexit done?? > No. I dont remember that at all. If you're referring to esxcitemnt over the withdrawal agreement overall (of which the NIP is just one component) or the TCA in its entirety...then yes, I do recall that. But with specific reference to the NIP (which is what we are discussing, no?)....I dont recall widespread trumpeting at all.

diable rouge Wrote: > > *Unsubscribes...* well..thank f@ck for that.....:) somehow I dont think it will last....

Sephiroth, it seems to me that you're twisting the interpretation of history a bit here to give yourself a 'Ha...didnt we tell you so!' moment. Many leavers (including a number on this forum) have said they thought the govt made a right pigs ear of the process of negotiating to leave (for reasons that don't bear unearthing again now). But regardless, the situation the govt found themselves in was Xmas eve last year, sign this deal, or go with no deal. Im not sure who all these people are you're referring to who trumpeted how amazing the NIP was??....I thought it was always regarded as an imperfect solution by people on all sides of the debate and was always seen as a banana skin within the context of the overall TCA. Would you have preferred NO DEAL instead? If you're talking about the govt cheerleading the signing of the deal, including the NIP....well yeah....what else do you expect them to do?...."Hey electorate....we signed a deal...but dont get excited, its a bit sh!t" So we have a section of the deal that people on all sides thought would probably cause problems (im sorry to burst you bubble, but i dont know if it was just 'people like you' who had such profound ability to foresee it!)...now actually causing problems. Why is the Govt asking to renegotiate aspects of a deal that is causing problems for its citizens so outrageous to you? Im not sure if you're trying to argue that this issue invalidates brexit in its entirety, of if your point is that this govt is rubbish at things...assuming the latter, then you prob will find plenty of leavers who agree with you....

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > it doesn't matter how often keano says it, the EU > isn't acting in bad faith or threatening or > blackmailing anyone here - what is wrong with > basic comprehension? > > > as for > > "Remainers: "You cant change anything about the > NIP, its what was signed up to." > > Also Remainers: "We should change absolutely > everything and rejoin the single market"" > > no-one I know is saying exactly either of those > things - but to take the general thrust of your > point, what's the problem? > > rejoining the single market isn't changing > absolutely everything - UK will still have left > the EU, various logistics problems will be solved, > and is the sort of mutual recognition that trade > deals usually consist of (unlike this mutant > version where UK is loudly exclaiming it must be > free of all ties but wants the benefits anyway) so...what you're saying is you are trying solve a problem by looking to alter an prior agreement? no problem at all...sounds very reasonable to me.....

Remainers: "You cant change anything about the NIP, its what was signed up to." Also Remainers: "We should change absolutely everything and rejoin the single market"

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > isn't Rod Liddle a less-than-reliable narrator on > matters "racist"? I don't think Jonny Nicholson is winning any role model of the year awards either.... I just thought I'd respond to one ludicrously one sided, smug, condescending article with another....

pk Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I read a great piece on the booing of kneeling > > https://www.football365.com/news/marxism-booing-kn > ee-england-racism-john-nicholson Me too.... https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/my-advice-to-gareth-southgate

RE - the booing of the 'taking the knee' I think a large part of the disagreement over the taking the knee surrounds what different people believe it represents....supporters would say that taking the knee is a simple act of solidarity against racisms in all its forms, and therefore anyone booing it is probably racist. On the flip side, many of those that object to taking the knee dont feel its a ubiquitous stand against racism, but a gesture which is heavily entwined with the BLM organisation specifically, and therefore not something they may wish to support. Look at the Millwall supporters late last year who cheered and applauded the carrying of a banner against racism, only days after booing 'taking the knee' https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55239475.amp

Spartacus Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > Do we need to set up EDF anonymous so we can > (virtually) talk about our addiction and get > community support? I think this is a great suggestion. It would be good to finally have a place where we could make up any name we want to, and just let of steam about our individual truths. I'm imagining a place with 295 brexit-related threads.

So I work in mining....financing of mining....and I feel the public doesn't get it.... Coal mining....is different.....mining broadly is needed...... https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-57234610.amp

im with some people and dont like random links....but this is sort of a high level chat...... https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/05/27/blm-has-made-uk-race-relations-worse/

I must say my progressive friends (and journalists) are giving me a wry chuckle across the interweb.....yesterday Dom Cummings was akin to Dr Evil, who would lie/cheat/steal/manipulate etc.....today?.....well he's criticised this tory government....we should believe what he has to say.... Im not saying what he's said is true or false...i've no idea...but he's a proven manipulator with an axe to grind...accordingly, Im not sure if testimony from Cummings is really as ground-shaking as many think it is. So I'm very dubious that its the 'beginning of the end' for Johnson any more than it was the day before yesterday, no matter how much many of his critics would like it to be....

notimpressed Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thick people quite often share posts on Facebook > about child abductions that are completely false, > but they dont have the intelligence to > analyse/research where the story has come from and > consider that it may not be true. People kind of > enjoy being outraged and letting others know about > it. > > Its likely utter nonsense, and if you believe it, > well im afraid you cant be too clever either. This isn't politics or culture wars we're talking about....its child abduction...there isn't 'another side to the story'...its child abduction.....I sincerely doubt even the perennially outraged would try to manufacture outrage about such a topic. As it happens, our friends were in the park when a woman came up to them screaming about her son being missing. Turns out they managed to find him as he was leaving the park with a man who had offered the boy 'duck food' to feed the ducks. The bloke managed to scamper off. So while I may have heard that second hand....Im inclined to believe that my friends wouldn't concoct 'outrage' over such a thing for kicks....

In a galaxy not very far away....

Not the best week for the BBC it seems....

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "towards" is doing a lot of work there Ha fair. First rule of debate....never box yourself into a corner with 'absolute' language....

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The Brexiter default position is always to say > ''it's not as bad as the apocalyptic predictions'' > (ignoring they were based on No Deal) as if that > somehow justifies its failings up to now. > Revisionism in action. Yes sometimes they were based on No Deal. But with a straight face, you're going to tell me that most remain commentators would have said....'If we leave with a deal, then we might have modest impact on trade, particularly in the early months as we work through some teething issues, but I'd expect trade to bounce back towards pre-bexit levels within 2-3 months".....umm...I dont think so. You talk about ownership....why shouldn't remainers take ownership of the fact that many of their predictions of economic disaster were totally and utterly wrong?...crashing property/asset prices, flight of FDI, 100,000 jobs from the CITY moving to europe, food and medical shortages (yes the worst predictions on that front were indeed focussed on No Deal, but these things were being discussed as feature of all deal outcomes). That doesn't excuse its failings...there are of course problems and challenges...but I think most serious economists would agree that they've been surprised by the resilience in trade YTD. In discussing the widely trumpeted Treasurey report from May 2016 that many remainers use as the cornerstone of their view of 'diaster'....even the strongly pro-remain Financial Times economics editor now admits that these forecasts were politically motivated saying ?after all, they had a referendum to win?....

I actually read this earier today. Unfort, despite the authors many degrees and academic titles, this piece is very 'rant-heavy' as opposed to 'analysis-heavy'. Fair enough, its his personal blog, but I dont really glean much more from it than I do from the good remain-loving people of the EDF:) I mean when he uses statements like..."In short, Brexit is turning out to be exactly the mess that was predicted, and for exactly the reasons predicted. If anything, it is proving worse"...that is objectively garbage...predictions from people like Chris Grey were significantly worse than where we are at. Apart from the NIP, which i'll agree appears unworkable sustainably, Brexit 5 months in bears very little similarity to the apocalyptic forecasts of the past 5 years...Happy to be directed to the economic or trade data which worse than expected, if im mistaken. He bemoans the desperate search for Brexit benefits.....which is perhaps not wildly dissimilar from some remainers desperate search for Brexit's failure....

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Less sunlit uplands, more the uplands pub circa > 2000 And similarly, the UK will evolve.....although perhaps with less focus on wood-fired pizza in this case...

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The people quoted in this article. I mean really > > Why is it bad form to call them dim? What other > word would be appropriate? > > https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1437009/brexit-n > ews-latest-spain-visa-europe-summer-holidays-briti > sh-expats-eu-tourism-latest This sort of thing definitely irritates me, and gives credence to the ill-informed charactiture of leave voters... Some may be surprised...I agree with Sephiroth's sentiment (if not his language!..I'm pretty averse to labelling people's intelligence in general)...if you weren't aware that not being in the EU meant you need a visa to spend more then 3 months of the year there, then that is a rather large oversight on your behalf..... Mind you....the express is trumpeting 'hundreds' of people who seem upset...so hopefully a small minority...

malumbu Wrote: -------------------------------------------------------, jeez > there is some poor driving skills out there. I'm consistently amazed, in the land where the roundabout was invented, the sheer number of people that have no idea how to use them....