JoeChuff

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no i don't think Louisa is speaking cobblers, it's not the wealth per se, it's how we (the rich) change areas by moving into them. However to that I would say... welcome to London. This isn't the North or the countryside, and it isn't "your" ED, no matter how long you've lived here. 70% of Londoners weren't born here - we are the real Londoners.

what's wrong with being privileged?

i think "no accent" means "no cockney accent". You've heard of cockneys, right? They're those people who live in Essex.

er, to answer the first part of my own question, they seem to have basically cornered the Saturday 5.15pm kickoff slot, 46 games in total. So that's quite a few, which pubs have it?

Just wondering whether anyone knows quite how many games (and how big they are) Setenta will have from the Prem this year, and whether any pubs in the area have definitely splashed out on it? I'm hoping the CPT will, that's my usual football pub.

i'm pretty sure that working class people in this country, as oppressed as they are, always have a choice about where to buy their clothes.

yep if you're just going to knock out a few lengths, it might not be worth it - but if you compare it to other leisure activities like going to the cinema etc, ?5.20 is not too bad. i was pleased that after all of the refurbishment, which looks quite pricey, the entry fee only went up 20p.

Louisa Wrote: > You point out you have no 'sweatshop bargains' - > does this mean you will be selling overpriced > goods for yummies and their offspring? Where do > other people go to buy clothing? Yes, no more oppressing the English working class by preventing them from oppressing the working classes of other countries

the lido isn't open all year round - it usually opens in late June and shuts in September. Annoyingly it was shut all the way through May and June, when it was hot, and opened just when the weather went all wrong. I hope they don't go broke, I loves it there.

agreed - there's nothing really wrong with any of the pubs, and it's nice to walk down LL and think "what great variety etc" but none of them quite hit the spot. The ones in Peckham are better I think, e.g. Gowlett, Wishing Well. But really the best ones I've been to have been in Bath, Manchester, Brighton and Oxford.

theme to Match Of The Day

i remember watching the postie go down fellbrigg road when i lived there two years ago, envelopes were just falling out of his tray onto the ground, people would come out and deliver stray envelopes to their neighbours!

yeah no sympathy for you this time, you accused the man of being a liar - a bit of an overreaction i think. everyone knows that the drivers don't control the heating on the buses anyway.

I lived in Summertown for two years when I was a student, it's lush.

thanks! I guess the meat from W Rose will keep for a couple of days, and then I can eat Sainsbury's fish towards the end of the week, which I find is fine... although maybe that's a good reason for W Rose to open late just on Wednesdays, to let commuters restock

> The good stuff that I can't get anywhere else > (William Rose etc) I have learned to buy at the > weekend in advance and freeze as necessary. at risk of going off topic, does organic meat lose any of its taste when it's frozen? I only eat meat at the weekends at the mo...

spadetownboy Wrote: best seat was > top deck left hand side right at the back level > with the stairs just sit and watch the world go > by. does anyone remember the little handle that > wound the windows down. no no no, best seat was bottom deck left hand side at the front, because you could pretend you were the driver

i hope so, i've been looking for a local supplier to sort me out with some locally-sourced organic green produce.

AJ Farmer is amazing, they sell EVERYTHING. The day they sell up and become a wine bar is the day I pack up and leave ED!

hmm the stopping early thing is annoying but i've never had any other trouble on the 12 in 2 years of commuting...

the 12 stopping early thing is really starting to irritate me as well, just as a matter of principle (my office is about the same distance from traf sq and picc circus). it used to be once a week that they would suddenly announce the change, now it is literally 3 out of 5 days. I think we should start loudly booing them every time they make that announcement - not starting an individual argument with the driver, as it's not his fault, just a brief burst of booing.

> 37, 40 and 484 are London Central > 185 East Thames Buses (publicly owned) > P13 travel London funny we were having a discussion in the lounge yesterday re: public vs private provision of services - i was anti the privatisation lot but i have always wondered why the 185 invariably smells of sick!

What I like about EDF is that it gives you the chance to participate in the upsides of community interaction without the downsides of everyone knowing your business (if, like me, you choose to remain anonymous).

MM - but surely agreeing to obey democratically-devised laws, and paying for their enforcement is a means of participating in society in order to serve selfish needs. so really this is just a question of degree. Also a lot of the classic libertarian case studies, e.g. your Goose Green example, assume that a certain level of reciprocity is inherently in everyone's interests to a broadly similar degree - i.e., I will help GG residents lest in the future, Barry Road is flooded and I need their help - or that the ED economy that I depend on will be negatively impacted by GG residents being removed from it. These are neat textbook assumptions that do not correlate to the real world. Human beings, like all animals, are born economically unequal - some are stronger, more intelligent, more attractive than others. These advantages will always be exploited. In the past, when there have not been strong states to guarantee individual rights, societies have almost invariably been run on feudal lines.