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All rational conclusions to make though Azira. You yourself displayed your intention to play devil's Advocate in your first post {Stir}{Stir}. Some of us just choose not to play games when someone displays genuine distress at the abnormal behaviour of 12 year olds, behaviour that should be challenged if only for the outcome of the post above by Pugwash.

What conclusion would that be Azira? A police report in existence in case you doubt the OPs words perhaps?

But this is precisely what's wrong with it all. We bought a home 7 years ago, as a HOME. We have no intention of moving for at least 20 years. And I would expect our home to be comparable to whatever the market is at that time. London has this problem with people buying into growth, and therefore fuelling the growth. It's bonkers and hurts ordinary working people the most.

I'm not going to give Dulwichlad the benefit of doubt. He joined the forum today to post specifically on this thread. So has some connection to the offending kids. Just what that connection is we'll never know. Even if there had been provocation (which I don't believe for one minute there was), this kind of language and behaviour from 12 year olds is disgraceful. They are clearly not normal children. Most parents would be horrified if their children who behaved like that too.

Thanks for posting the pics Milk. It quite clearly is both stupid and illegal to ride motorbikes and scooters on this path.

Charles you are trolling and you know it. It's not funny, or even interesting. First you fail to even recognise that bikes and scooters are even motor vehicles, and now you seem to think it's ok for those vehicles to use public pathways. What do you think would be the consequences for the scooter rider if they had an accident (whether at fault or not) involving a cyclist or pedestrian? Any idea? Oh and here's what the law says on it..... Road Traffic Act 1988 Section 34 Prohibition of driving motor vehicles elsewhere than on roads (1) Subject to the provisions of this section, if without lawful authority a person drives a motor vehicle? (a) on to or upon any common land, moorland or land of any other description, not being land forming part of a road, or (b) on any road being a footpath or bridleway, he is guilty of an offence.

HappyFamily, prices can not keep rising forever faster than wages. That's the flaw in thinking that leads to bubbles. There's only so many multiples of a salary a price can be before no-one can afford it. The Bank of England has stated that interest will start to rise at the end of the year (let's remember those rates have been kept artificially low to help recovery from 2008). Interest will have a huge bearing on the property market, esp for first time buyers.

Charles, scooters and motorbikes ARE motor vehicles. That's why they pay road tax and require insurance. They shouldn't be on a pedestrian/ cycle path.

Clamping is illegal Artful, but if the car hasn't moved for a couple of days (which is how it sounds) then I don't think that will solve the problem.

I agree on the SNP. They also failed to deliver on promises that got them elected to Hollyrood. They are riding a wave off the back of the close reference vote, but that wave will subside. So I don't agree that Labour are dead in Scotland at all. Cameron knew exactly what he was doing post the referendum election, because after all, the Conservatives had no ground to lose in Scotland. He's now paying the price. The hunting ammendment is only the start of defeats in Parliament for him.

That seems daft. Where's the common sense there? The Police ARE allowed to be helpful. It's not all about chasing hardened crims. If you can get a few friends to lift the back end and wheel it forward out of the way, then why not? You are not damaging the car by doing that.

So you pimp yours? Something like this maybe? Or how about? Apparently this bloke already has his. But I suspect ths might be you Louisa after one too many sherries ;)

I agree with you ???? but that's not what people are saying (so they are not delusional). They are arguing for a clear alternative from the other major party (which Labour still are), that's all. Of course it risks leaving Labour out of power but they are never going to regain power anyway if they don't get those Scottish seats back.

Just watched a BBC show on iplayer with the above name. South Yorkshire is apparently the scooter capital of Europe! Issues like safety aside, are they really the alter ego of the twin buggy? Some people even race them.... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-32247516 I did overtake one (on my cycle) at Elephant and Castle roundabout once and held my breath to see if he made it round in one piece. Apparently no rules on them not using roads.

https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives So up to three inches is legal it seems and up to 4 years in prison and ?5000 fine. That clearly isn't working if they now feel the need to bring in a mandatory 6 month sentence for a second offence. Wonder as well how this would apply to minors?

I think there is a minimum inch length to define what carrying a knife is. Basically anything longer than the smallest penknife I think. I too am a bit confused Fox. I thought the law was toughened up on knives years ago. Might have a little google :)

Very good point rahrah.

Vehicles can not be clamped on private land. The coalition changed the law, so no, you can't clamp it. If the vehicle is obstructing your access, I don't understand why the Police can't contact the owner for you.

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uncleglen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Yes the Tories listen...they have just put the cap > of ?72,000 on Social care on hold until 2020...if > that isn't listening to the people I don't know > what is. No, they listen to the people who vote for them. The tories have completely shunted young people on the other hand (having given up on gaining their votes no doubt). I'm torn on Corbyn. I think many of the points made about a viable opposition are true. I think he may be able to regain some of the ground in Scotland, and some of the core vote lost to UKIP. But I think Andy Burnham would probably be able to do that. But I also think those two would (depending on what happens with the economy) keep Labour out of government for 10 years. Left wing core values were alive during the Thatcher years (and the attack on the public sector was far worse then) but it didn't make Labour electable. For a swing away from the market economy we have now would take the same kind of disaster we saw in the 70s that led to the rise of the right. It's not going to happen. I think it was ???? who said that the right kind of government is one that believes in the free market economy but has some liberal and social values at it's core too. I think that's right. What I also think is right is that Labour in their poor opposition through Miliband, allowed the Tories to seize the popular debate and mislead the public on the extent of the 2008 crisis being Labours fault (it reminds me of Bush confusing Iraq with 9/11 funnily enough). At the time Miliband was elected leader I said to Labour party member friends of mine that he wasn't providing any opposition and couldn't understand why. They just gave me some vague answer about not revealing anything until the run up to the election (which was years away at the time). This is the kind of niaivity that seems to run through the Labour Party at the moment. The new leader needs to be able to effectively oppose from the off. They also need to be able to form policy and win the public debate. Corbyn perhaps has the best chance of doing that, but he might also divide the party and I suspect, election wise, he's preaching to the already converted, and that won't win a general election imo.

' debt forgiveness has been crucial to Germany's own post-WWII development path.' Yes quite. And the lack of debt forgiveness has kept other countries crippled, Africa, Latin America both have examples of what happens when there is no flexibiity.

They only live for a day or so I think.

I've found phones on two occasions and have been able to find a number on there saying 'home', or 'sister' etc and been able to return the phones to grateful owners. But I can also understand why people pin protect their phones too. Surely if the IME number is registered the police can trace the owner.