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Yes I second that. Isolation is particularly challenging for alcoholics. Socially distanced counselling isn't going to be enough probably. You could try contacting the community mental health team on Lordship Lane. https://www.together-uk.org/southwark-wellbeing-hub/the-directory/8650/cmht-lordship-lane-dulwich/ They are likely to know best what help is available at the moment for someone in his circumstances. Also, he can get a referral to them from his GP if he has one. All CMHT's have crisis teams, so I suggest you ask to speak directly with someone from that. It sounds to me as though he needs some kind of outreach visit to assess his needs. That he confided in you is a good sign that he is willing to get back to the recovery stage he was at. So I would stress that it would possibly be productive for any resources to be made available to him.

Katie Hopkins never sees anything wrong in the race baiting bile she posts though. So any explanation she offers is bs quite frankly.

I would argue that the slogan does its job perfectly well in the context of deaths in Police custody and the failure to hold anyone accountable afterwards. It could even be argued that it has resonance during a pandemic that disproportionately kills BAME people, many of them who were taking care of others in hospitals. No person should be taking offense at that slogan. White privilege is a bit more complex granted, because it involves dynamics around class structures that can impact white people too, and we have discussed that here in part.

No Cat, all you have done is post links to people who display the undertones of feeling some threat to their white identity because black people are fighting for equality again. That is their issue to deal with, not the problem of black people. I know this is a left wing platform, but every point they make here is statistical fact. I know that you agree that these disparities exist, so I am genuinely baffled as to why you take such exception to the slogan 'black lives matter'. https://bylinetimes.com/2020/06/08/black-lives-dont-matter-in-britain/

pk Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > if you think that you don't come across as obsessed with reeling off stuff about how black people use terminology that you don't like, most of which you proudly paraphrase off Spiked then you should probably review your posting history > > you really think Spiked is the answer to racism in the UK? Exactly this. Maybe Cat would like to state in plain English, just why he thinks the slogan 'black lives matter' alienates some people?

And there you make no sense Cat. You are trying to make this an issue of your free speech and your anecdotal opinion, while seeking to rewrite the free speech of black activism. I repeat again. It is not black activism that has the issue here. It is white people willfully failing to grasp the concept of a simple slogan. The only question there is why. Latent racism exists. Black people see it every day. You might do better to explore that.

But that activist organisation IS black people, and as such they have every right to express themselves as they wish. The two are not separable. The only obsessive person here on that is YOU. Black lives matter is not a difficult concept to understand, so why is the onus for black activists to change their slogan? You have willfully ignored my point too that those who take offense to it, do so deliberately. You know perfectly well why they do. THAT is what needs challenging. Not a simple slogan that any five year old could grasp the meaning of.

You seem to miss the key point Cat. 'don't tell them what language they can and can't use' THAT. Because that is exactly what you are doing. You are telling black people that slogans they feel succinctly convey their cause, aren't helping their cause (in effect). And you are saying that because some white people refuse to understand the concept behind those slogans. The people reacting with 'all lives matter' and worse still 'white lives matter' are doing so deliberately. They don't give a hoot what black people are complaining about, just that they are complaining. So how about we challenge those people instead, instead of finding fault yet again, with how black people express themselves?

Excellent post j.a. My own view is that to be offended by the slogan 'black lives matter', over understanding why black people are using it in the context of protest, is itself a display of latent racism. Because what actually offends that person, is that black people are asserting their experiences and seeking to change something. It comes from exactly the same place as the perception that ethnic minorities are treated better than their white counterparts. I watched a sky documentary about George Floyd which shows all the camera footage from the moment shop workers confront him about the use of fake notes, to the lifting of his limp (and obviously dead) body by paramedics onto an ambulance stretcher. It is the viewing of a murder. What strikes me is the abject lack of empathy in the face of the Police Officer suffocating him to death. It is not hard to see why any black person would see that lack of empathy as a racist response. Whatever the truth of that, he was a Police Officer who overreacted to the complaint of an already handcuffed man, and did so without any consideration for the life and wellbeing of George Floyd. I then watched a documentary about Sandra Bland. And once again, what is seen is a Police Officer who overreacts and abuses his powers, because a black woman dares to answer him back. Racism isn't always overt. It often is just that small difference in response to attitude that tips the balance one way or the other. Black people see this every time it happens. When the now Prime Minister calls Africans 'piccaninnies with water melon smiles', that matters. That he got away with it so lightly, also matters. That we also try to whitewash history of racism also matters. Churchill WAS a racist. We should be able to have a sensible conversation about that while at the same time acknowledging his leadership during WW2. So for me, what 'black lives matter' conveys, is that those experiences at the hands of racism, be it overt OR casual, matter. That should be a simple enough concept for anyone to grasp and agree with.

Yeah, I think most people will be holding what they have for the coming unemployment or fear of it. The furlough was to cover the costs of businesses making no income. The government is about to reduce that while many of those businesses are still making no income. Others not enough. Does anyone really think most restaurants are going to survive even when they reopen with measures? The same for pubs, theatres, music venues? And what about gyms, spas, etc? Some are already going to the wall.

There were very few ex servicemen there, and the ones that were there were embarrassed to have anything to do with the hooligans. Oh and FYI Uncle, these yobs were attacking people, including anyone with a camera. About 100 of them broke away to attack the small BLM rally in Trafalgar Square. Maybe you would like to see footage of all of that instead? 100 arrests, and the Police are looking for about 20 others. It's all on youtube.

I think attacking anyone for their looks is mean personally. And even though Katie Hopkins has no such scruples, we are better than that. Besides, there is more than enough coming out of her mouth to chew on ;)

Of course you wish you'd followed her. She's a racist, xenophobic, Islamaphobic hate monger. That appeals to you.

Yes and my point was more along the lines of installing concrete set anchors outside properties with no room inside. Then it makes attaching alarms, light sensors etc easy. All of that is doable and probably more secure than a communal hangar down the road.

Uncle thinks the DFLA hooligans needed to be set up to start a brawl too! I think he needs to look at the protest history of the DFLA/ EDL/ FLA (they all attract the same old firm footie hooligans). They are incapable of peaceful protest and always have been.

The individual bikeaway lockers seem more secure. Given that these hangers are used when people are at home, would it not be better for those with expensive bikes to look at secure ways of keeping their bikes indoors or immediately outside? Even when I was a student living in a dingle room way back, I would keep my bicycle indoors at night.

Surely you are not comparing Aaron Bastani, whose only crime is holding a very left wing perspective, to someone who has literally done time for assault and hooliganism Uncle? Giving a speech, at the Oxford Union does not suddenly make Tommy Robinson credible. He is still a law breaking rabble rouser who thinks giving someone a thump at the drop of a hat is acceptable!

She is a strange woman. But she has sailed close to the wind so many times that censoring her was inevitable.

Tommy Robinson is a rabble rousing hooligan. Truth is not his strong point, nor is any respect for the law. That you respond to being called out for who you really are by posting a link to a Tommy video, says it all. You really are the gift that keeps giving Uncle.

keano77 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Of course you can have different methods. > > One shed as now. Second shed different feed. Third > shed layers. Online sales. Dog food and cat food > market etc > > That?s the problem with CAP. It subsidises > inefficiency and stifles competition No you can't. This would be a nightmare to regulate and causes all sort of issues for farmers too. We have regulation around food for all sorts of reasons, including to make sure we don't get ill. As for synthetic meat, that is still some time away as it is still very expensive to produce. Yes it may well be the future and there are lots of benefits to producing meat in this way, but it is not happening yet.

America has one of the worst obesity problems in the world. It is hardly a bastion of good diet or nutrition. Chicken is cheap because the breed of chicken used takes only 12 weeks to fatten. But it is also higher in fat than protein as a result. If we are going to produce meat, this is the wrong kind full stop. There are other varieties of chicken that take six months to reach slaughter point that are higher in protein than fat. This is what we used to farm and eat. So right there is a good example of why the drive for cheaper chicken has been detrimental to health. But forget chicken for the moment. There are a list of ingredients permitted in the USA that are banned in the EU because they are shown to be carcinogenic. So this debate is not just about how chicken is produced, it is also about animal welfare standards and food production as a whole. Would you want to eat a corn fed cow that has never seen daylight let alone a grass field? Want to know why that cow has to be stuffed with antibiotics and other pills when a grass fed cow doesn't need to be? I grew up on a farm. If I were not a vegetarian, I would never eat factory farmed meat or fish from anywhere. None of it is about producing the best quality and healthiest food and never has been. In my opinion, we need a complete overhual in food processing legislation that regulates more, not less.

As a vegetarian the very idea of eating a horse repulses me.

And that is precisely what I mean about letting Uncle expose himself. Eco warriors, G4 protestors and others have been daubing statues forever and a day. But when black protest groups do it? All hell breaks out. Similarly, scuffles at protests are nothing new, especially around Downing Street. Where is Uncle's outrage every time Tommy Robinson supporters kick off? Not a peep. As for UK wages being undercut, that has been going on for decades, as manufacturing and a host of other sectors have been lost to other countries and robots, that can produce what we need cheaper. He like all of us has benefited from affordable technology which millions of people from different ethnic groups work to make for barely enough to get by on. He thinks leaving the EU will change all of that. He doesn't understand that trying to replace EU trade with trade from equivalent in size market places like China and India is going to mean even more jobs undercut. And the higher value goods that we do make for the EU market, will be lost, as the owners of those businesses move their operations back within the EU. We really could be facing a future where we lose car manufacturing. But Uncle does not care one jot about those reasonably well paid jobs, to be replaced with what exactly?

TE44. The research that you think is a big risk is the method by which we create the annual flu vaccine. Hens eggs are used to create that. Are you suggesting we stop doing that as well? By your logic, we should never try and create any treatments that might save or better lives. How do you feel about stem cell treatments for example? You can not have it both ways.

It is a natural mutation because it is organic. The same mutation could easily occur in the hen producing the egg. Synthetic mutations involve directly altering the protein spikes and/or DNA in a lab. There's a clear difference there. On mutations, there is actually a lot that IS understood. And it is understood because of research like this that can be carried out. When presented with a novel virus, it is one thing to identify the zoonotic host carrier. Another to identify the intermediate host and the steps of mutation. We have to find a answer to SARS and there is no other way to do that than to carry out the kind of research you are so worried about.