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It was also about emotion Bob. Both sides played to sense of pride, identity, nation etc etc. When you play to emotions over intellect, you are always going to unleash chaos. Every revolution and civil war is a perfect example of that.

I think police just have to contunue as they are and prosecute hate crimes where they happen. That will soon send out the message that nothing has changed under the law.

Love your post miga. And I agree with you too ????. The problem is that we have become obsessed with partisan views, he who shouts loudest gets heard etc, whilst in between all of that shouty stuff, on both the left and right, are a whole group of people who just want to have what their parents (or grandparents in many cases) had. They want security of employment. Security of tenure (be that rental or home owner), security of decent healthcare and education for their kids and the securty of their futures. We don't see a lot of that deprivation in London, and that is a problem when the centre of government lives there. The free market can not be left to take care of everything. It's primary incentive is to make profit, not ensure people are housed, employed etc. That is the job of government and THAT is the job they have not been doing for too many people. That is the message that has to come from this. And it's a message that has to be heard by every party and every corner of the press.

Not from one circuit breaker no, but we could have months and years of this until the market knows what is going to happen between us and the EU.

Robbin, the FTSE may have gone up slightly, but UK buiness are 14% down, the pound is a third down, and ?100bn losses have been made. You are the one that needs to understand that FTSE trading is business done accross the world. When you look at performance of UK business on the markets it is all down.

He ignored my comments too Joe (conveniently). Bedtime for me too. "anyone who brought up that awful murder as a 'decent' argument about why we shouldn't be 'whinging' is highly unlikely to listen to any alternatives to their own beliefs with an open mind." Agreed heartblock.

It was in poor taste heartblock. He used it to shed fault on the remain camp, yet they never did what he accuses them of. He could have picked countless ways to criticise the remain campaign, but he chose that one.

And of course there is that thing isn't there. That a Brtish MP is murdered by a white British man, and he's mentally unstable. Far right ideaology couldn't possibly have played a part. But a Black muslim convert murders a soldier in Greenwich, and he's evil, and all of islam is at fault.

keano77 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Blah Blah Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > And I thought lies around immigration that may > > have led to a mentally vulnerable man murdering > an > > MP equally diplorable. > > Don't be silly blah blah. There is no causal link > here no matter how Remain tried to create one. The > man was unfortunately mentally unstable. He was also involved with Britian First who two weeks before the murder told members that any 'muslims in offical positions, like MPs and Mayors were now enemies of the state'. I think it's clear where his motivation lay and why he selected his local MP. She had publically worked for taking Syrian refugees. You have no way of knowing either if Jo Cox' active local campiagining for remain is what provoked his interest in her. So best not to make assumptions about her murder either way eh - or make claims that the remain camp used her murder for gain when they didn't as well.

Interesting idea Louisa.

They need the Act of Parliament to activate the instruction of the referendum, because the referendum was not legally binding. The referendum on AV voting on the other hand was legally binding and would automatically have become law.

Those leave voters will not be negotiating the deal though.

I don't think he can Louisa. There has to be an Act of Parliament first.

And I thought lies around immigration that may have led to a mentally vulnerable man murdering an MP equally diplorable.

Looks like we are heading for recession too. Credit rating was downgraded on Friday too.

1.5tn lost worldwide! geez. That's really scary.

He's struggling to get press coverage amongst the Labour and Tory infighting I think. Too many people with bigger thunder to steal than him.

Yep, I too will use my 'democratic' right to free speech in a public forum when I like Keano, or did we have a referendum on that too?

He has to win the leadership first Louisa. It's reported Gove is not going for it but will be a running mate for Bojo (it's Blair and Brown all over again and we know how that ended). Could then be Bojo vs Teresa May. Will Osborne enter the race too?

Any MP can raise a Members Bill (so worth putting the idea to your MP).

This is just shocking and unacceptable. And it seems people who aren't even here from the EU are being attacked, which just shows the level of logic these racists and xenophobes operate on.

This is where we get into the deatails of unpicking 40 years of protections and trade. The whole thing is extremely complex. A full brexit (if it happens) will lock up government and Whitehall for years. There will be no time or room for anything else.

I think a lot hinges on who wins the Tory leadership Loz. The government has four or so years left before any GE needs to be called.

I don't know WMummy. Techncially the Tories are still the government, and the only way to change that is by GE. Only 150,000 party members will decide the new leader, and that I think would be seen as the issue for a lot of people, even though most people aren't Tory voters (back to bending arguments to suit of course). Personally as a Labour party member, I just want to see a sensible Tory leader right now. I think a snap GE would be a mistake. So for me the question is who would be able to put enacting article 50 on hold, who would bring parliament back to day to day business, and who would stabilise the markets. I think Teresa May would do that, if only as a caretaker PM. If some of the public are upset by that, then tough. The referendum never gave legal power of the people over government anyway.

You don't honestly think that a 3.8% margin on such a big issue as this was ever going to be the end of the matter do you citylover? The same would be true if the result went the other way. Get real. This country is split down the middle.