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It would take just a 10% swing up against a single candidate - so not as unlikely as may seem. The key is getting the right other candidate.

Yes and they had the nerve to dimiss any attempts to give detail of economic impact as scaremongering.

"The EU has many problems, and there's areas where I suspect you and I would agree, but there is more that links us than divides us, and I feel it's a terrible error to turn our back completely. " This is exactly why I voted remain. "It's also opened the door to the extreme right wing, who were are going to hear more of if/when Boris reneges on Article 50." Completely agree. It's a step back to the 70's for the UK, in more ways than one.

But they didn't expect a win. Boris used the referendum to forward his own ambition. He expected a narrow loss that he could then use. That's why he was so sheepish the day after. They all were. And then Cameron pulled a masterstroke, and stepped down. This is about an Eton rivalry, and both Cameron and Boris are prepared to junk UK plc to out-do each other. Completely disgraceful.

And just to add Fox, that pension schemes are the bigger investors in the markets. So every day of losses over the next however many years of uncertainty is going to blow the cost of EU membership out of the water by a mile. There won't be any money for anything.

And ?100bn wiped off shares instantly - what a false economy that was Fox.

I do think that the more this goes on, the less likely it will ever be that Article 50 is enacted. Whilst the referendum has said leave, the government, or rather parliament, haven't agreed to that yet. We all know the primary faces of parliament are going to change. We know we face new Tory leadership. I think Corbyn will be replaced too. But here's the rub. Farage has tried on 7 occasions to become an MP. The longer the inaction goes on the better it suits him (notice how quiet he's been too since the result anyone?). A snap election. No party promising what Farage told people they thought they were voting for. UKIP field cnadidates in strong leave constituencies who fight a campaign on the lines that only with a strong UKIP presence in pariament can brexit be delivered. You can see how this will go.

Inflation was an average of 9% for a start in 1973.

Respect? why don't you acknowledge the points made in my reply? In fact answer this simple question. What shape was the UK economy really in when we joined the EEC?

And here's my regret Louisa. I voted for Corbyn for new leader, but now also hugely regret doing so. The membership are counting chickens if they think Corbyn would be re-elected with anything like the same mandate.

Well said Joe. Those older generations have a clouded view of their own past. Decline had set in long before we joined the common market, but of course they hark back to the brief golden period they were born into. That 20 year post war boom that delivered everything they could have ever wished for was paid for with post war debt. The near full employment and decent wages was the rusult of the post war reconstruction that needed to happen. Well the world is now different. Technology has replaced billions of jobs. And the percentage of people of working age to those over 65 is shrinking. Many older people though also understand this, but not enough of them.

Link here. https://www.facebook.com/events/1671704409745795/?notif_t=plan_user_associated&notif_id=1466859932632156

It's funny how Uncle seems to want to defend the position of the 40% in Scotland, but not the position of the 48.2% nationwide. Seems to not even have a balanced view of that, let alone anything else. We'll still be part of the European Broadcasting Union Uncle, just in case you still believe you voted to leave that as well :D

Agreed. Anyone who thinks there is nothing to worry about is deluded. But right now we need strong government with a plan. With every day that passes, it becomes increasingly clear how we've been led to the abyss by a small group of privileged boys who have decided to play Russian roulette with all of our livelihoods for the end game of an Eton power struggle.

Boris is a tabloid hack. Always has been, always will be. He was fired for making up headlines, so went into politics, where he was fired by Micheal Howard for telling lies. Now he has lied to the public and won a referendum. Do you really want this man for PM? He'd be in good company with Iain Duncan Smith though.

But the pound is still down by a third and ?100bn was lost off the markets. Someone incurred those losses. You need to understand how markets work a bit better.

Yes it's as though the result has given licence to the racists that we all know do exist in places, to behave disgracefully. I know that's not what you wanted to see Louisa, none of us did. That's a really worrying analysis Jaywalker. Of course the drop in sterling has signalled the start, and they have already announced expected inflation of at least 4% by the end of next year (which seems to reflect what you are saying). Many people don't understand why any of the economic babble matters, but it absoutely does. And your predictions if right, blow Osborne's economic plan out of the water. That is probably why he is in hiding and no doubt in panic. I think it also destroys any logic to his going for the leadership too. Who would want to be the one to govern over that fiscal disaster, if it happens. We are already struggling to get borrowing down as it is. I think we have to go for a Norway style deal, as soon as possible too, to stabilise what already were difficult markets accross the world. It's not what people voted for, but someone has to be strong enough to stand up there, put future ambition aside, and do what is truly best for the economy.

I think we are all in a atate of shock, including many leave voters who now realise it's not going to be what they were told it would be.

What worries me more is the disappearance of Osborne (hasn't been seen in public since Thursday) and the lame duck position Cameron is now in for the next three months. Meanwhile it is increasingly clear that the Brexit gang haven't got a clue what to do right now. There was never any plan for this scenario (i.e a leave win). Whatever the future holds, deal we end up with, it's as though for now, government has completely stopped! Meanwhile the SNP know exactly what they are going to do and have already started the road to new referendum!

Has been annouced that Scottish SNP are beginning the paperwork and process to a 2nd referendum on independence.

Quite Burbage. Opportunity for who? The same establishment that left the now aggrieved communities to rot for three decades. Only now they won't have to abide by worker protections. They'll keep the immigration though. Big business likes that. Those who voted leave believing the borders would be closed will feel doubly cheated. There are no winners. The MPs fighting for this referendum were not doing it for their own business interests. 'Free the UK' sounds very like 'Free the City', and we all know where that took us.

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > FFS. You cannot just keep voting until you get > your own way.. > > Don't people get it. ? > > DF But that's what happens every 4-5 years. If a party comes along and promises another referendum (which they absolutely are free to do) there are potential 48% of all votes up for grabs. Seems like a no brainer to me, if I were a political party. This is why marginal wins are so dangerous.

:D good one ????. Have to share that on my fb.

Agreed Louisa. Both main parties are spilt to the core, and both are increasingly endorsing leadership that is moving away from the centre ground. But we've seen this historically many times. It is the final death throws of neoliberal free market capitalism on this occasion. It will be replaced by something esle that will bring stability eventually, but we are all set for a whole heap of pain before we get there. I was just trying to think today when the last period like this might have been. Mid to late 70's perhaps? The death throws of Socialism? Although I'm not sure the people themselves were so split then.

Seconded Wondercat.