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Lots of good advice above. If you do or say nothing, then nothing will change, so a complaint to the bus company that employs the driver sounds like the best way to go.

It does seem an alarming appointment, but I'm liking Robert Poste's thinking. Give Bojo a cabinet role, he is without question, doomed to fail at - then fire him - and he's out of the way forever.

This is reported on at every local party branch meeting too. Councillors are fully engaged with residents, and councillor Edwards at the Branch meeting last week gave a further update to say that is the case.

Rumour is that Owen Smith will declare today ????. He seems a bit better (although that's not hard right now).

:D Brilliant reposte Rendel :D Cameron, Boris, Farage and co will be looking at how best they can line their pockets from the market turbulance. Farage set up an offshore account two years ago, which he hasn't used as yet but..... I wonder what all the 'common' people who voted UKIP would make of that?

I couldn't help but notice the similarities between May and Thatchers victory speeches. Ok so May didn't quote St. Francis of Assisi, but we all know what a false promise that turned out to be. I expect the same from May.

Everywhere you look it's bad. I'm beginning to think the Lib Dems are now the attractive option, so i know I'm definitely going mad! Leadsom and May will take government further to the right and that doesn't bear thinking about. Corbyn is a stubborn old fool who is prepared to rip the Labour party apart rather than do the right thing. Many long time Labour supporters like myself will never forgive him if Labour completely implodes. Which I think leaves a void for the rise of a new centrist party, or the resurgence of the Lib Dems.

Seconded EDmummy. Three swim and gym sessions a week (for the committed) will go a long way to improving fitness.

Why does she have to answer anything? We don't even know who is going to be negotiating brexit yet? It's all very well for you to take the high ground because Tim Farron has set a position, but it just looks to me as though you are trying to find fault with Helen where there is none to be found.

I think your question is answered James ;D Don't know why you suddenly mention Tom Watson either when you were trying to pour doubt on Helen's sincerity. Always the politician eh?

Charlotte Church voted for Plaid Cymru at the most recent elections, not Labour.

The problem with stimulus packages are that once the money is spent, the stimulus disappears, and then what? I suspect a citizens dividend would be used for consumption on the whole, rather than investment, and would have little effect.

I'm with you Lordship. What we need is someone with the balls in government to say the price will be too high, and send it to parliament for a deciding vote for the good of the economy. I am also pretty sure this is why there is all the talk of agreeing a plan with the EU before triggering article 50 (even though the EU are not so keen on that). But people like Gove have wind in their sails and are determined to take us down this road to who knows what. And note, that yet again, contenders for the Tory leadership are making promises about how Brexit will go, without any evidence to support that. Of all the interviews given the morning after the result, Mark Carney looked the most troubled - and there's very good reason for that.

I don't disgree with that jaywalker. I have posted a lot on the economic outlook of Brexit elsewhere. I am certain we are heading for recession some time next year. Inflation will rise to around 4% and the pound will stay down.

We were there too. Was a good afternoon once the weather cheered up. Toffee, leavers seems to think they also voted against the right for people to campaign and march for things they believe in. The 48%, or some of them, have every right to make sure government doesn't forget about their views too, especially as there is lots to play for through EU negotiations.

That wasn't quite what I meant. Of course those sentiments are always there, but the bravery shown by some people to act on it will recede. I don't pretend for one moment that the divisions and hatred are serious.

I was talking to some young people earlier, young labour supporters, and one made a very interesting point. He said that he supported Jeremys direction, but felt Jeremy had done his job (of shaking the landscape) and it was now time for him to step aside to let someone who is a better leader to take over. He saw Corbyn as the pathmaker, for the true leader to emerge. One of the things to turn me off is the idea that there is no-one else but Jeremy. This really is naval gazing of the most stubborn kind. 172 MPs can not be ignored. They are not all blairites. If they break away (and they are looking into the legality of keeping the 'Labour' name) then the party is finished. That for me is far bigger than the issue of leader. There is something obviously going on behind doors that makes Jeremy impossible to work with. It's not about policies, it's personal. I am truly torn as a long standing and committed party member.

Will share this.

We've shut down racism before and we can do it again. In a few months time, when nothing towards brexit has happened and the news is about something else, some of those who feel confident now will fade away. And the rest of us should carry on challenging descrimination where we find it, just as we always have.

Agreed Louisa. And it will be the membership who votes and decides, so no point in remonstrating with MPs just because they don't agree with you. There will be plenty of Labour supporters they do agree with on this one.

Hoorah for Louisa. Would have hated to see a forum breakway group - that seems to be the next stage of politic procedings for the Labour Party (according to the Guardian).

I agree. If the vote had gone either way on a 3.8% margin, the losing side would be arguing for the same - be it leave or remain. It's an issue and split that many people people don't understand the complexity of, and a narrow win was always going to lead to fierce division on what happens now.

Robbin, it's not the FTSE 100 that is the issue, but the 250 index. The 250 is where most British companies sit, and that dropped around 18% over those few days. Losses made aren't suddenly recovered when the index rallies and stabilises. The real issue is the damage it does to investment. Recessions don't happen just because a market crashes, it's what follows that causes the recession. Lack of confidence stems the flow of money and investment, and that is why the longer the period of uncertainty over the direction the UK finally takes with the EU, the more likely a recession will be. Decisions on jobs, expansion, investment are now on hold. Article 50 itself can take two years and that's before any negotiations on trade begin. Business confidence will fall during all of that. What we don't know is if that is a price worth paying over the long term, but don't be under any illusion that the price will be paid, and that the people it will hit hardest are those who are most desperate for something to change for them. It is just about the worst time to be going on this journey. The economy has not recovered from 2008. Interests rates are already low (done to try and boost recovery), and we have voted to kick an already stagnating recovery in the stomach.

Apparently though, the front runner has never won the Tory leadership ever. So here's hoping Bojo contunues that streak. And Farage managed to p*ss everyone off in Brussels yesterday, and he wonders why he has been excluded from involvement in the negotiations!

James is being mischievious Loz. All Helen has said is that she backed remain but doesn't know if pushing for a 2nd referendum is the right way to go, and that she can no longer support Jeremy Corbyn, and explained her reasoning for both. James wants to try and make something of that beyond what it really is.