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Charlotte Church voted for Plaid Cymru at the most recent elections, not Labour.

The problem with stimulus packages are that once the money is spent, the stimulus disappears, and then what? I suspect a citizens dividend would be used for consumption on the whole, rather than investment, and would have little effect.

I'm with you Lordship. What we need is someone with the balls in government to say the price will be too high, and send it to parliament for a deciding vote for the good of the economy. I am also pretty sure this is why there is all the talk of agreeing a plan with the EU before triggering article 50 (even though the EU are not so keen on that). But people like Gove have wind in their sails and are determined to take us down this road to who knows what. And note, that yet again, contenders for the Tory leadership are making promises about how Brexit will go, without any evidence to support that. Of all the interviews given the morning after the result, Mark Carney looked the most troubled - and there's very good reason for that.

I don't disgree with that jaywalker. I have posted a lot on the economic outlook of Brexit elsewhere. I am certain we are heading for recession some time next year. Inflation will rise to around 4% and the pound will stay down.

We were there too. Was a good afternoon once the weather cheered up. Toffee, leavers seems to think they also voted against the right for people to campaign and march for things they believe in. The 48%, or some of them, have every right to make sure government doesn't forget about their views too, especially as there is lots to play for through EU negotiations.

That wasn't quite what I meant. Of course those sentiments are always there, but the bravery shown by some people to act on it will recede. I don't pretend for one moment that the divisions and hatred are serious.

I was talking to some young people earlier, young labour supporters, and one made a very interesting point. He said that he supported Jeremys direction, but felt Jeremy had done his job (of shaking the landscape) and it was now time for him to step aside to let someone who is a better leader to take over. He saw Corbyn as the pathmaker, for the true leader to emerge. One of the things to turn me off is the idea that there is no-one else but Jeremy. This really is naval gazing of the most stubborn kind. 172 MPs can not be ignored. They are not all blairites. If they break away (and they are looking into the legality of keeping the 'Labour' name) then the party is finished. That for me is far bigger than the issue of leader. There is something obviously going on behind doors that makes Jeremy impossible to work with. It's not about policies, it's personal. I am truly torn as a long standing and committed party member.

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We've shut down racism before and we can do it again. In a few months time, when nothing towards brexit has happened and the news is about something else, some of those who feel confident now will fade away. And the rest of us should carry on challenging descrimination where we find it, just as we always have.

Agreed Louisa. And it will be the membership who votes and decides, so no point in remonstrating with MPs just because they don't agree with you. There will be plenty of Labour supporters they do agree with on this one.

Hoorah for Louisa. Would have hated to see a forum breakway group - that seems to be the next stage of politic procedings for the Labour Party (according to the Guardian).

I agree. If the vote had gone either way on a 3.8% margin, the losing side would be arguing for the same - be it leave or remain. It's an issue and split that many people people don't understand the complexity of, and a narrow win was always going to lead to fierce division on what happens now.

Robbin, it's not the FTSE 100 that is the issue, but the 250 index. The 250 is where most British companies sit, and that dropped around 18% over those few days. Losses made aren't suddenly recovered when the index rallies and stabilises. The real issue is the damage it does to investment. Recessions don't happen just because a market crashes, it's what follows that causes the recession. Lack of confidence stems the flow of money and investment, and that is why the longer the period of uncertainty over the direction the UK finally takes with the EU, the more likely a recession will be. Decisions on jobs, expansion, investment are now on hold. Article 50 itself can take two years and that's before any negotiations on trade begin. Business confidence will fall during all of that. What we don't know is if that is a price worth paying over the long term, but don't be under any illusion that the price will be paid, and that the people it will hit hardest are those who are most desperate for something to change for them. It is just about the worst time to be going on this journey. The economy has not recovered from 2008. Interests rates are already low (done to try and boost recovery), and we have voted to kick an already stagnating recovery in the stomach.

Apparently though, the front runner has never won the Tory leadership ever. So here's hoping Bojo contunues that streak. And Farage managed to p*ss everyone off in Brussels yesterday, and he wonders why he has been excluded from involvement in the negotiations!

James is being mischievious Loz. All Helen has said is that she backed remain but doesn't know if pushing for a 2nd referendum is the right way to go, and that she can no longer support Jeremy Corbyn, and explained her reasoning for both. James wants to try and make something of that beyond what it really is.

She isn't sitting on the fence at all. She has always supported remain. But Labour now have to deal with a vote to leave and a looming leadership challenge. You also claim some Labour MPs now don't want free movement of people. There were around 10 Labour MPs who backed leave. Nothing has changed. Tom Watson today said reform of EU free meovemnt was needed, but's not quite what you are trying to infer it is. There is no mass Labour swing to restricting free movement of people within the EU, never has been. It's just not the party's position. Helen has no options she needs to keep open there at all.

She sits on the Parliamentary Local Government and Communities select committee James. What on earth are you talking about 'ambitions beyond just being a local MP'. She has been far more than that for quite some time. She's not someone who plays games for careerism. As a local councillor you should know this.

But it's not just about any one constituency is it NewWave. It's about Labour as a party. I was very annoyed when I saw Harriet and Sadiq flanking Cameron on the campaign trail for example. I wanted to know why they weren't flanking Jeremy? And that's the problem. Jeremy has always been a eurosceptic, and he was in position where he felt obliged to support something he doesn't really believe in. He did do some campaigning, but he failed to make any impression at all. When I watched his media interview the next morning (after staying up all night watching results), I was left feeling very angry at his non-plussed response to the result. And it was at that point he finally lost my support. And I'm not the only one who feels that way.

I disagree with you gutsell. I and many others who voted for Jeremy can also not longer support him and if someone like Angela Eagle stands will vote for her. 41% of the membership did not vote for Jeremy. They have a voice too. We need a leader that can bring all sides of the party together. Every MP was elected by LABOUR voters under the leadership of Ed Milibnad. Confusing membership with electorate is the biggest error being made by many die hard Corbyn supporters who just can't seem to accept that there are other MPs on the left who would do a better job of leading. I want McDonnell to stay, and the left direction to continue, but I also want a leader that is a natural leader. Jeremy isn't that. Sorry.

You qoute me but didn't actually read what I wrote did you? Local party members have power through the party to keep an issue raised. Local councillors serve their local community. They have a duty to respond to any request made to them. The issue is a civil legal matter. They are limited in what they can do.

I would have spoken up too Pickle. A lot of these comments seem to be in the wrong belief that anyone is going to be deported. Do they really think they voted for that?

Agreed Calsug - spent the evening in the company of someone who writes on finance for Reuters. He was very downcast. Keano - there is a difference between rating agencies in the US, who are paid by the banks to rate their products, falsely giving triple A credit ratings, and agencies that monitor economies as a whole, to determine their credit worthiness.

Yes I don't think it will suit Labour to have an early election (they have no money for one right now), so can not see a challenge to the Fixed Term Parliaments Act being sucessful through the house. Repeal of the Act would also take time.

We spent the evening with a couple of friends, one of whom is a reporter for Reuters focussed on the city, finance and markets. He had nothing good to say. It was a truly awful day on the 250 index where most British companies sit. The reasurances given by both Osborne and Carney ths morning did nothing to prevent the carnage.

Also, what weak and spineless government would that be? Thatcher when she said no and won us a rebate? Major when he said no to parts of the Maastricht treaty? We are not part of the Euro or Shenghen because we said no. we also said no to tariffs on Chinese steel and to many other things. You are showing how little you know on how Brussels actually works Fox.