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She isn't sitting on the fence at all. She has always supported remain. But Labour now have to deal with a vote to leave and a looming leadership challenge. You also claim some Labour MPs now don't want free movement of people. There were around 10 Labour MPs who backed leave. Nothing has changed. Tom Watson today said reform of EU free meovemnt was needed, but's not quite what you are trying to infer it is. There is no mass Labour swing to restricting free movement of people within the EU, never has been. It's just not the party's position. Helen has no options she needs to keep open there at all.

She sits on the Parliamentary Local Government and Communities select committee James. What on earth are you talking about 'ambitions beyond just being a local MP'. She has been far more than that for quite some time. She's not someone who plays games for careerism. As a local councillor you should know this.

But it's not just about any one constituency is it NewWave. It's about Labour as a party. I was very annoyed when I saw Harriet and Sadiq flanking Cameron on the campaign trail for example. I wanted to know why they weren't flanking Jeremy? And that's the problem. Jeremy has always been a eurosceptic, and he was in position where he felt obliged to support something he doesn't really believe in. He did do some campaigning, but he failed to make any impression at all. When I watched his media interview the next morning (after staying up all night watching results), I was left feeling very angry at his non-plussed response to the result. And it was at that point he finally lost my support. And I'm not the only one who feels that way.

I disagree with you gutsell. I and many others who voted for Jeremy can also not longer support him and if someone like Angela Eagle stands will vote for her. 41% of the membership did not vote for Jeremy. They have a voice too. We need a leader that can bring all sides of the party together. Every MP was elected by LABOUR voters under the leadership of Ed Milibnad. Confusing membership with electorate is the biggest error being made by many die hard Corbyn supporters who just can't seem to accept that there are other MPs on the left who would do a better job of leading. I want McDonnell to stay, and the left direction to continue, but I also want a leader that is a natural leader. Jeremy isn't that. Sorry.

You qoute me but didn't actually read what I wrote did you? Local party members have power through the party to keep an issue raised. Local councillors serve their local community. They have a duty to respond to any request made to them. The issue is a civil legal matter. They are limited in what they can do.

I would have spoken up too Pickle. A lot of these comments seem to be in the wrong belief that anyone is going to be deported. Do they really think they voted for that?

Agreed Calsug - spent the evening in the company of someone who writes on finance for Reuters. He was very downcast. Keano - there is a difference between rating agencies in the US, who are paid by the banks to rate their products, falsely giving triple A credit ratings, and agencies that monitor economies as a whole, to determine their credit worthiness.

Yes I don't think it will suit Labour to have an early election (they have no money for one right now), so can not see a challenge to the Fixed Term Parliaments Act being sucessful through the house. Repeal of the Act would also take time.

We spent the evening with a couple of friends, one of whom is a reporter for Reuters focussed on the city, finance and markets. He had nothing good to say. It was a truly awful day on the 250 index where most British companies sit. The reasurances given by both Osborne and Carney ths morning did nothing to prevent the carnage.

Also, what weak and spineless government would that be? Thatcher when she said no and won us a rebate? Major when he said no to parts of the Maastricht treaty? We are not part of the Euro or Shenghen because we said no. we also said no to tariffs on Chinese steel and to many other things. You are showing how little you know on how Brussels actually works Fox.

It was also about emotion Bob. Both sides played to sense of pride, identity, nation etc etc. When you play to emotions over intellect, you are always going to unleash chaos. Every revolution and civil war is a perfect example of that.

I think police just have to contunue as they are and prosecute hate crimes where they happen. That will soon send out the message that nothing has changed under the law.

Love your post miga. And I agree with you too ????. The problem is that we have become obsessed with partisan views, he who shouts loudest gets heard etc, whilst in between all of that shouty stuff, on both the left and right, are a whole group of people who just want to have what their parents (or grandparents in many cases) had. They want security of employment. Security of tenure (be that rental or home owner), security of decent healthcare and education for their kids and the securty of their futures. We don't see a lot of that deprivation in London, and that is a problem when the centre of government lives there. The free market can not be left to take care of everything. It's primary incentive is to make profit, not ensure people are housed, employed etc. That is the job of government and THAT is the job they have not been doing for too many people. That is the message that has to come from this. And it's a message that has to be heard by every party and every corner of the press.

Not from one circuit breaker no, but we could have months and years of this until the market knows what is going to happen between us and the EU.

Robbin, the FTSE may have gone up slightly, but UK buiness are 14% down, the pound is a third down, and ?100bn losses have been made. You are the one that needs to understand that FTSE trading is business done accross the world. When you look at performance of UK business on the markets it is all down.

He ignored my comments too Joe (conveniently). Bedtime for me too. "anyone who brought up that awful murder as a 'decent' argument about why we shouldn't be 'whinging' is highly unlikely to listen to any alternatives to their own beliefs with an open mind." Agreed heartblock.

It was in poor taste heartblock. He used it to shed fault on the remain camp, yet they never did what he accuses them of. He could have picked countless ways to criticise the remain campaign, but he chose that one.

And of course there is that thing isn't there. That a Brtish MP is murdered by a white British man, and he's mentally unstable. Far right ideaology couldn't possibly have played a part. But a Black muslim convert murders a soldier in Greenwich, and he's evil, and all of islam is at fault.

keano77 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Blah Blah Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > And I thought lies around immigration that may > > have led to a mentally vulnerable man murdering > an > > MP equally diplorable. > > Don't be silly blah blah. There is no causal link > here no matter how Remain tried to create one. The > man was unfortunately mentally unstable. He was also involved with Britian First who two weeks before the murder told members that any 'muslims in offical positions, like MPs and Mayors were now enemies of the state'. I think it's clear where his motivation lay and why he selected his local MP. She had publically worked for taking Syrian refugees. You have no way of knowing either if Jo Cox' active local campiagining for remain is what provoked his interest in her. So best not to make assumptions about her murder either way eh - or make claims that the remain camp used her murder for gain when they didn't as well.

Interesting idea Louisa.

They need the Act of Parliament to activate the instruction of the referendum, because the referendum was not legally binding. The referendum on AV voting on the other hand was legally binding and would automatically have become law.

Those leave voters will not be negotiating the deal though.

I don't think he can Louisa. There has to be an Act of Parliament first.

And I thought lies around immigration that may have led to a mentally vulnerable man murdering an MP equally diplorable.

Looks like we are heading for recession too. Credit rating was downgraded on Friday too.