BrandNewGuy

It is indeed already listed as an Asset of Community Value. Moreover, its community value is also covered in a sense by the 'restrictive covenant' on the use of that land for anything other than a football/sports club.

I've long believed that one fundamental problem with English (and Scottish) professional and non-league football is that its Victorian heritage means most people see them as private businesses run by local (or now international) tycoons rather than sports associations or genuine community-based organisations. Indeed, that is how they are structured, but there are better ways of doing it to avoid the problems of ownership and asset-stripping ? the German and Dutch sports association model means all locals have a chance to participate in the club (at all sorts of sports), with the First XI being the top of the pyramid, as it were, rather than a separate local business. My European friends would ask why the council aren't looking to build a stadium and sports facilities rather than leaving it to property developers... But that would take a completely different approach to local government in this country, which is another matter altogether.

DHST hasn't polled the members yet. The committee asked for informal views by March 4th and will be putting out further info about the poll soon. It's a tricky one, because there are lots of aspects of HPG's plans that affect the club that don't simply come down to "Are you for or against the current plans?" There is also the matter as to whether a response is needed to the current woolly proposals or to wait for the actual planning application to be submitted.

A consultation concerning the future of the whole of the Dulwich Hospital site has been announced ? this was in the Dulwich Community Council newsletter: Major developments on the Dulwich hospital site are underway to expand and improve the range of essential public services available to the local community. Community Health Partnerships, NHS Southwark Clinical Commissioning Group, The Charter Schools Educational Trust and Southwark Council are working in partnership to deliver a new primary and community health centre and a new community secondary school. We want your views. Planning consultation event Date: Tuesday 22 March 2016 Time: 4.30-7.30pm Venue United Reformed Church (URC) Main Hall (left of the Church entrance) East Dulwich Grove, London, SE22 8RH You can also view and comment online: The proposals and online survey will be available at http://tinyurl.com/CharterSchoolED from 22 March to 5 April 2016 View proposals at Dulwich Community Hospital from 23rd March to 5th April 2016 If you have any queries please contact us at [email protected] or on 020 7525 1173 You can find out more about the health centre at www.southwarkccg.nhs.uk/our-plans and about the school at www.chartereastdulwich.org.uk

Berocca, Nurofen and fresh air.

It's very little public amenity space, really. And the most important point to bear in mind that all of Green Dale fields (including the astroturf pitch) are Metropolitan Open Land, which is a planning designation as strong as that of Green Belt. To allow the building of a stadium where there is current an astroturf pitch would be a hugely dangerous precedent to set for the future of MOL all over London. And Green Dale is loved by many local people, even this corner :-) In fact, at the exhibition, a small lad asked the property guy standing next to the model what the stadium was. The guy told him and the lad said, "That's rubbish! Where are we going to have a kick around?" A valid point, given that the public availability of the proposed five-a-side pitch will be constrained, from what we were told, by booking it and paying for it. So that's a loss of local public amenity, never mind the open space which would be lost for good on Green Dale.

taper Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Is there any assessment on how much land will be > brought into public use from the current football > pitch? This snap of the exhibition model shows very little. The proposed stadium is on the left and the flats on the right, with "Football Club Square" and the five-a-side pitch (which will not be free to use, apparently) in the middle.

Yes, there were a series of leaks around the junction towards the end of last week that appeared to be getting worse, so I suspect it's emergency work by TW.

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Jah Lush Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Jeremy Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > It is a shit sign. But those beer prices are > > > alright. ?4.60 for a pint of Lagunitas is > pretty > > > good - in fact looks like a typo.. > > It's an imported IPA... so under a fiver is fairly > cheap. I wonder if Heineken taking a 50% stake has something to do with that ? buttering us up with the price and then brewing it under licence in Europe. When the Flying Pig started having Lagunitas on draft all the time, I wondered if something was up. http://www.forbes.com/sites/briansolomon/2015/09/08/heineken-grabs-50-of-lagunitas-brewery-to-take-ipas-global/#58c709ae3e2c

If you've been round Green Dale recently, you'll see that there's almost no litter or dog muck. Tidying the place up has done wonders for it and the changes have been welcomed by locals. I know of many dog-walkers who love Green Dale, as well as locals who prefer the calm of Green Dale to a park. And it is used among others by Mother Goose nursery for picnics as well as Newlands Academy (for excluded pupils), who love the open space. There is unique ecology at Green Dale ? more than 40 species of birds have been seen there in the last couple of years and the last survey revealed more than 60 different trees, grasses and flowers. In fact, Southwark Council are in the process of declaring Green Dale to be a Site of Importance for Nature Conservation (SINC) as they agree with their own ecology report and that of the London Wildlife Trust that it is a valuable space ? for wildlife and people. Yes, accessibility can be improved and minimal management introduced for the trees and grassland. Please pay a visit and see for yourself. The future of Green Dale and the future of DHFC are not a zero-sum game. I fear the possibility that the developer might use a 'divide and rule' approach, when other plans are possible and can satisfy all parties.

It's a shame that the full plans couldn't have been revealed before the spin started, but just to respond to a few points from that article: "... an unusual 3G pitch". Well, there are 570 approved 3G pitches in England, so perhaps not that unusual. "The proposed new stadium will be located slightly to the west of the current ground on a training pitch bordering, though not impeding on, the Greendale Fields." It's not a training pitch but a poorly maintained astroturf pitch. And it would be impossible for a stadium not to impede on the Metropolitan Open Land of Green Dale because the space between the astroturf and the current stadium boundary is Metropolitan Open Land. What's more, earlier stadium plans showed a certain amount of extra encroachment, but we won't know until the exhibition opens. "A ?linear park? is also being proposed, which would create a green path from the stadium to East Dulwich Stadium." I presume that's meant to be "East Dulwich Station". "The under-used Greendale Fields will also be revitalised as part of the project, with Southwark Council and the club?s owners Hadley Property Group working together to reclaim the site. Paths, picnic areas, play zones, meadows, woodlands and a pond will be created or restored, according to the council?s latest proposals outlined in its planning documents." There is no evidence given that Green Dale is ?under-used?. It's a well-loved oasis of peace and greenery and as such does not need ?reclaiming? and its unique ecology and unspoilt nature would be harmed by it being turned into a park. Accessibility could be improved, but that's a far cry from what seems to be suggested. "Matt Rimmer, from Hadley Property Group, said: ?Dulwich Hamlet has been at Champion Hill for over a century. We are committed to securing a sustainable base for DHFC, to ensure that the club can remain at Champion Hill for the next 100 years and beyond."" As I've mentioned before, if DHFC have the good fortune to be promoted twice, they'll not be able to go any higher, as currently 3G pitches are not permitted by the Football League. Moreover, under the previously aired plans, the stadium's capacity would likewise not be sufficient for League football, but until we see the designs in detail, who knows...?

And I believe tickets are only valid for the day they're bought.

Just a reminder that the exhibition is open today (4pm ? 8pm) and Saturday (11am ? 2pm). I'll try to find out what material is going to be online and post links here ? or take photos and post them up for those people who can't make it along.

But you don't deny that others park there in order to pick up? And as it's a private road, they could, if they wanted, insist on no parking or dropping off for anyone unless by agreement, which is presumably what they have with the tyre place and the builders' yard. Yeah, that might be a pain and seem unreasonable, but it's their call not yours.

That's the whole point about permissions on a private road. It's arbitrary. And if the owners put up a sign saying 'No parking', then don't park there.

Southwark's report of the Grove Vale CPZ consultation from four years ago states that Railway Rise is not a public highway: http://moderngov.southwarksites.com/mgConvert2PDF.aspx?ID=25008 [page 40] And the woman from the cottages doesn't need to be 'enforcing' anything to tell people not to park there. Her manner might have been off, but it seems to me she's entitled to reiterate what the owners have painted up all along the hoardings on the other side of the road.

richard tudor Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If the resident asked Cllr Barber for a barrier he > would jump at the chance to organise a > consultation to arrange. > > Mention CPZ and possible cycle route done and > dusted > > It's a non important road. It's a private road, so it's neither important nor non-important.

Did you pour yourself a pint in the manner of Michael Elphick in "Withnail and I"?

Blimey, what have you been smoking? ;-) I'm 'in', but very very critical of the whole EU mess. In fact, Cameron's (admittedly token) concession that 'ever closer political union' does not apply to the UK is good news. I detest most of the main voices on both sides of the debate, so I'll do my best to ignore the whole shebang for the next four months. Four months! Christ...

spider69 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > When the garden centre was there people parked > there all the time with no problem for a short > period > > Why has this suddenly become a problem for her. It's a private road, so people can use it if those whose road it is give their permission ? which they can withdraw whenever they wish.

Agreed. I was just pointing out that everyone's 100 or so trees in the end do matter.

PK36 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for your reply BrandNewGuy - interesting to > hear from someone who has a better understanding > of the Green Dale site. I've only ever used it as > a cut through and always thought it looked pretty > unloved and was mainly used by dog walkers. Do you > have any idea of the number of people who > regularly use Green Dale and for what purpose/s? Since Freinds of Green Dale was set up two years ago, we've been amazed how many local people have come forawrd and said how much they love the peace and quiet of Green Dale. Lots of dog walkers, but also people who simply appreciate its peace and quiet ? not something you always get in a park. There are also people using it as a cut-through, children exploring (Mother Goose nursery use it for adventure picnics) and birdwatchers watching birds. Here's a little film we made: > Regarding Point 2 - I'm not sure of the history of > the site, but I presume the area where the > artificial pitches are now must have only been > designated as MOL after the pitches were built, as > otherwise the fact they were built in the first > place would seem to go against the > rules/guidelines for MOL. I'm not sure of the history of the designation with reference to the creation of the artificial pitch, but it may well be that proper permission wasn't sought. > Regarding Point 3 - it seems strange that > Southwark Council are planning to declare Green > Dale as a Site of Importance to Nature > Conservation with reference to it's 'wild' nature, > when their own plans include the creation of a > playground, picnic area, pond and also involve the > removal of some of the dense scrub in the > southwest part. Watch this space :-) Southwark are yet to finalise any plans for the site, but in conversation with Friends of Green Dale, they accept many of our points about the lack of 'development' being a positive thing for the site, given the amount of play space available locally. Personally, I think Green Dale's unique character as a wild space is something Southwark can be positive about in terms of allowing access to wildlife and so on. > Regarding the ground not being 'sustainable' due > to the possibility of promotion to the football > league, I like your positivity, but I think any > chance of that is a long, long way off, especially > as we are now into the customary Hamlet late > season wobble! Haha! Yeah, I'm being rosy-tinted ;-) > I too, look forward to checking out the latest > plans and hopefully a solution that suits (almost) > everyone can be found. Agreed.

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Cant see the connection. LSD lasts for 6-8 > hours.. > With a meal I'm in and out in 45mins... with the > exception of Curry Club lasting a couple of hours > but that is generally waiting time.. > > Foxy Curry Club or acid? Either way, it's a trip, man... ;-)

Loz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Climate change? Although 'every little helps', I > doubt 100 or so trees will make a difference in > the grand scheme of things. Though even this > would be offset anyway if more were planted (as is > promised), as growing trees take up more CO2 than > mature ones. The offsetting issue is actually the key point. Attitudes such as "I doubt 100 or so trees will make a difference in the grand scheme of things" have allowed for piecemeal deterioration of our urban and rural environment in all sorts of ways. Small changes in each of our lives can mean big changes for everyone's lives ? for good or ill.

Oh, one further point. The current plans might not produce a 'sustainable' stadium for DHFC. Should the club have the good fortune to get promoted into the League (a less distant hope than it has been in the past!), the capacity is insufficient for Football League purposes. What then? More encroachment onto MOL?