BrandNewGuy

ibilly99 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > From the Guardian - a French point of view > > "Globalisation engenders an excess of > individualism and nowhere more so than in > Anglo-Saxon countries," wrote Jean-Marc Creau on > the site. Joelle Koenig added: "Since the Reagan > and Thatcher years, deregulation has grown faster. > They reduced taxes for billionaires ... and now > they want to work the people of Tottenham and > elsewhere to death to pay off the debt." > > Jean Baptiste Clamence wrote: "There exists in > England an underclass that does not exist anywhere > else in Europe. White, little educated, without > any means of social evolution, they are a perfect > example of the results of Anglo-Saxon capitalism > and its dehumanising program. The English > perversion is to make this population proud of > their misery and their ignorance. The situation is > hopeless. I've more hope for the youth of our > banlieues." Errm, clearly doesn't know what's been happening in France's ghettoes recently, then - riots aplenty. Ah yes, I see - he's only interested in the whites. How quaintly French...

Cuts to EMA will not affect the poor. Tuition fees haven't kicked in and have been woefully misreported - kids think they have to write a cheque for ?9,000 to go to university. And lack of employment opportunities has been the case for years. 13 years of Labour's social inclusion policies clearly have not succeeded.

Undisputedtruth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > BrandNewGuy Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Well, Labour failed miserably then. > > > Actually, it was the Tories who have disengaged > the youngsters. How?

Hatred certainly inflamed by comfortably off political enemies of the Tories - talk of the "savagery" and "inhumanity" of the cuts, and an arts administrator with a six-figure salary comparing arts cuts to the blitz. Stupid and woefully exaggerated talk. Yes, the Tories are sh*te and I wish they weren't in power, but the level of political discourse in this country does no-one any favours.

Well, Labour failed miserably then.

Dear God, have we produced young people like this? We should all hang our heads in shame, whatever our political views.

Really? Looks more like vandalism and looting to me. And please don't call it a party.

richardbach Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > i genuinely dont thiunk that the peopl of ed have > anythiung to wory about in terms oif personal > attakcs i have been out onight and there was no > issue with people walking bout and going home the > kids are having a party you may note like this > descpition but that it what it is no politics or > theme going on here Idiot

whibel Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > BrandNewGuy Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > whibel Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > There is a context to London's riots that > can't > > be > > > ignored > > > > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/aug/0 > > > > > > 8/context-london-riots > > > > I call bullsh*t. 14-year-olds out on the > streets > > looting have spent all but one of those years > > under a Labour government. Any responsibility > > there? > > yeah. i get the picture. nice dropping in on your > folks. goodbye east dulwich forum, enjoy your > cupcakes, etc. And thanks for not answering my reasonable question. I'm not a Tory and I don't eat cupcakes.

whibel Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > There is a context to London's riots that can't be > ignored > http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/aug/0 > 8/context-london-riots I call bullsh*t. 14-year-olds out on the streets looting have spent all but one of those years under a Labour government. Any responsibility there?

Something In The Way - Nirvana

And avoid the London Bridge Tandoori. I've ended up there several times after an evening in the pub and regretted it every time... dull food and overpriced.

I Feel The Earth Move - Carole King

Huguenot Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > BTW, you're incorrectly asserting that coercion > requires threats of violence. I wasn't. Asking someone to take an item off a menu is just that...

You used the word "coercing". As far as I can tell, the restaurateurs could have told him to sod off and their businesses won't suffer. In what way is that coercion? If someone wants foie gras back on the menu, they can go and ask them to do so. If Tom believes he is right, then let him talk to others and try to persuade them of his view. Any problem with that?

Not sure about the 'coercing restaurateurs' bit. What would have been the consequences if they'd told Tom to sod off? Broken windows? Permanent picket? Customers being spat on? Probably not...

Two Sisters Drunk On Each Other - Califone

Tight Like That - Leadbelly

Who Knows Where The Time Goes? - Fairport Convention

Brendan Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Ah I see so debt can only dealt with by committed > and sustained investment in public services and > infrastructure carried out by a right wing > government. No, that doesn't follow, alas. There are lots of other factors that affect debt apart from welfare spending - tax rates, rates of economic growth, non-welfare spending etc.

Brendan Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I?m no history expert but isn?t the > significant and prolonged fall in national debt > from the early 50s until the 70s over the period > when the country was investing most heavily in > building and growing the Welfare State, that most > heinous of the left wing horrors that has blighted > this good country over the last 100 years? But for most of the time "From the early 50s until the 70s" we had Conservative governments. Spending on the Welfare State has risen under all governments since the War. You can argue whether that's good or bad, but the real differences between the two parties in this respect have been small.

The Same Old Rock - Roy Harper

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Tell Me When It's Over - The Dream Syndicate

Right In The Head - The Gourds