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picmicnic Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Just had a conversation with an Architect about a > kitchen side return we are looking to do. > He said it would cost at a minimum ?120K. That is > for a 4.5 metre by 7 metre room. > Feels very expensive - can anyone advice if that > is what it has cost them? We did ours last year ?35,000 for the structure. The kitchen Flooring decoration etc was extra. Unfortunately the Australian guys who did it went back home. Just noticed yours is 4.5 by 7 meters, mine was just a side extension.

Maybe the service food and cleanliness' will be improved.

First one 4.32 am second just now. Can't wait for the cold weather and closed Windows.

Lol that was actually very funny. I really don't mind the noise during the daytime it's early mornings and late in the evening in the summertime.

I was woken up at 4.36 this morning by a jet

#sarcasm

Look I've come here to vent my anger and frustration with likeminded sympathetic fellow sufferers. Not to debate with people who don't suffer. I'm not wasting my time on this it's increasing my anger and frustration levels through such discussion. If everyone was affected then it would be fixed clearly. Yes maybe some good psychiatry will help me thank you.

It's not a different view. It's airplane noise. Now I'm insulted with being deranged and someone else. I've had enough of this abuse I have to suffer the noise not this. Rotten discussion.

I have that's true because that is what they are. The title is about aircraft noise. If you / they don't have a problem then why on earth tell me? You're just windup merchants. Please go away. Poppy xx

Me Aggressive ? I'm not the one telling you to accept a discomfort or mental abuse.

Nonsense Heathrow doesn't need to exist We could easily find another location The problem is some landed lord would need to free up the land So it'll never happen ! Little people under the ruling class as ever have a look on google earth if you think I'm wrong. You're so naive. Fact is there's plenty of land

Really OH well no solution then. Just noticed the flight path has moved a mile north from earlier this evening still getting on my nerves!

Oh and the fanning in of aircraft happens currently only it's not constantly alternating. They just don't care because there are no benefits to Heathrow. There's no increase in risk .. What increase could there be ?

TheArtfulDogger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > My view is that of a realist, not a defeatist > > You want to fly but you don't want the associated > disadvantages > > The argument that you like to use motorways but > wouldn't want one at the end of your garden is > frankly nimbyism > > If you understood how many planes air traffic > control have in the air at any one time then the > concept of fanning them in becomes dangerous and > invites an accident, they come down a single > weather and wind restricted flight path as that is > how the drop out of the bottom of the stack > > If you want the convenience of flying from one of > Londons three airports (city, Heathrow and > gatwick) and you want to leave within spitting > distance of the airports (as we do in south east > London) then frankly you have to accept some noise > until they introduce silent jets... or would you > prefer that the airports are relocated miles away, > making it a long long journey to get to them but > also shifting the noise into someone else's back > yard ? I would definitely prefer the airports were moved further away the Thames Estuary new airport as supported by Architect Richard Rodgers and Boris would be a perfect solution. There's good reason Croydon airport was closed why should Heathrow be any different? Your inability to distinguish between usage and unreasonable impact is odd . Reality is the noise generated by aircraft to and from Heathrow is unacceptable as unacceptable as smog light polution particulate matter in the air the fact is such noise creates a poor quality of life and regardless of whether one fly's drives uses a coal fire the impact has no correlation. The government is supposed to protect us from all such environmental damage. Aircraft noise has been shown to affect both physical and mental health. Accepting such damaging environmental problems ..you appear happy to do so.. If not defeatist is maybe complicity with damaging environment and quality of life for millions of people and rather insulting.

TheArtfulDogger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > pop9770 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Misery tonight windows and doors open because > of > > the heat and TV has to be turned up full blast > > because I can't hear it above the aircraft > noise. > > > > > > This is horrible. > > Your poor neighbours having to listen to your > telly at full volume... > > The aircraft noise in Eadt Dulwich, whilst > slightly loud at times, isn't as bad as it could > be if you were in the final approach path. > > It's the devil and the deep blue sea situation, > people like the convienince of being able to fly > around the world and the relative ease of getting > to an airport but don't want the noise when they > aren't flying ... I like the convenience of driving on the motorway doesn't mean I'd be happy for one to be built at the end of my garden! There is no correlation between flying and accepting aircraft noise disturbance in ones home. None whatsoever! You have a very blinkered odd way of justifying things if you believe what you have written to be morally acceptable. There is no good reason that every flight into Heathrow should go over East Dulwich, as we know when the wind blows in a different direction they don't, equally the flights could fan in to land rather than the current conveyor belt approach system.. A fan in landing setup would give respite to millions. Your view is rather defeatist and sad.

Misery tonight windows and doors open because of the heat and TV has to be turned up full blast because I can't hear it above the aircraft noise. This is horrible.

Zebedee Tring Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If you can't see > that, then there's nothing further that I can say. Tbh Not a lot you can say regardless of what I see. Are you the forum busy busy body fighting for PC rights?

You're not really helping DF. You're just massaging your own ego by telling me off for helping him. That's really sad.

Zebedee Tring Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > By all means challenge Dulwich Fox on what he says > if you don't agree with him. But please don't > criticise him - or indeed anyone else - for their > spelling. That's just patronising. It wasn't spelling or a typo. It was a grammatical error. I'm happy to be corrected for anything obviously grammatically incorrect I post. If others are so thin skinned they can't take being helped they hey ho. Honestly it's common courtesy isn't it ?? I mean DF would have gone through his life writing ,could of, should of, looking silly when he should have written , have . No good deed ...

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > People going on about aircraft noise should of > lived here when Concord was Flying over head. > Now that was noisy.. 4 very loud Olympus engines > based on those employed in the RAF's Avro Vulcan > strategic bomber. > > DulwichFox Should have. not. Should of . If you're going to go all pro aircraft noise at least use proper English.

Anyone else care to use another noise as a comparison? Eg Neighbour farting at 3am ? I'm delighted for those who don't have a problem with aircraft noise. Fox Toffee .. Really I am . Maybe their hearing isn't the same as others or they happen to live in a sound shelter location. But Aircraft noise is the single most annoying noise for many who live under the Heathrow flight path.

Toffee Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Exactly cardelia. Im woken at 4 am with birdsong, > my cat crying for breakfast, the distant sound of > London coming to life, various sounds, yes > including planes. Oddly enough the plane noise is > the quietest Why don't you start your own thread about annoying birds waking you up? And keep off this thread for people who are annoyed by aircraft noise? #bizarre

The problem of aircraft over London isn't only the noise. They're a potential disaster waiting to happen. It's only a matter of time that there's a disaster. A large plane crash over London. The noise is a nuisance. Deaths is another matter. I don't think aircraft shouldn't be flying over major urban areas anywhere on the planet. I hate the noise I fly regularly I don't see any correlation.

Rater that than Heathrow City airport doesn't have the same impact on ED.

I can't tell if it's because I've noticed it now or that it is Actually getting worst. God knows what it would be like with a third runway at HR.