Mick Mac

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Sean - I was talking about Keef's comment on > Sweaty's...you do have a habit of misconstruing > posts either by not reading the whole context or > making pretty strong 'assumptive' accusations. You > did this to MM earlier too as he pointed out. > You've form on this before. Read my earlier post > (for the first time or again) please. We know you > fight the good fight but it gets to the point that > we can't discuss anything without you jumping in > with NAZIS NAZIS. Thanks quids. I agree sean made a incorrect inference from my OP. Whether there was intent or not i dont know.

SeanMacGabhann Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > And "Paddy" has always been a term of endearnment > towards Irish people. Oh yes > > mick, what do you want from this thread? Do you > want permission to call people "paki"? > > Ian, are you sure the corner shop was Pakistani? I hope you are joking sean. I accept paki has racist undertones (although perhaps it was not always racist i believe it developed). Im wondering how many scottish people would have to complain to the beeb about the phrase dour scots before it was deemed racist and no longer pc to use it. Are are the scots too light hearted to take offence. For me its like saying the "arrogant english" it implies a general state of mind to a whole race, which it technically racist.

red devil Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Andrew Neil is Scottish, so is it a racist insult > if the perpetrator and victim belong to the same > race?.. Yes I know that RD, but he still represents the BBC.

Some would think that way - but only the very weakest - so a majority would approve it IMO, for the greater attraction of the Permier League (Greedy buggers).

BTW Rosie you misspelt pejorative...its from the French you know...I only know that cos I had to look it up. So you think the first person who ever used paki was using a pejorative term rather than a shortened version of pakistani. I would disagree. I would have though logic decides that it was a shortened term before becoming a word of malice intent. I would suggest that it much later bacame a racist terms (combining your and RDs posts). If correct there is some crossover between perception of user and recipient. Going back to my original question - When will the Scots object to the word Scots? especially if it is preceded by "Dour Presbyterian" Scots....

Its all in the delivery Rosie - I'm sure you could deliver the utmost rubbish with great confidence. Yet I feel sure you penned something super.

Its the Scots I feel sorry for. They appear to be being insulted by Andrew Neil, but they ask for no sympathy.

Their Scottish League TV income is I would guess prob about League 1 level Simon, so I hope that not a big issue. Players may leave however as they don't want to drop down.

I don't get letters anymore - just emails. But its the dog I feel sorry for - his mornings are just not the same.

So is it a question of intent by the user of the phrase? or a question of insult as perceived by the recipient?

I think if you asked these questions of current Premier League teams 1) Would you accept Rangers and Celtic direct into the Premiership next year? Answer of the majority = No (probably) 2) Would you accept promotion continues into the Premiership on normal terms but that at some point Celtic/Rangers might be one of the teams promoted - is that acceptable to you under normal rules? Answer of the majortiy = Yes (possibly - on the basis that if you are currently in and its a few years away, then ok as it is good in the interests of the premiership generally - and peer pressure is applied).

I think Ruffers once they are accepted in at any level in England then they become the same as any other team and like Cardiff for example, if they are good enough to win promotion, then they go up to whatever level, they just need to get in. I don't beleive the Premiership would prevent them coming in as a promoted team. Obviously that would be clarified before the move, otherwise C/R would not move to England if there was a glass ceiling.

"Pakis" - is a racist term? [this was discussed on "Question Time" tonight (re Strictly Come Dancing)] "Dour Presbyterian Scots" - is both racist? and also insulting? - [used by Andrew Neil on "This Week" only minutes later] Why is the use of "Paki" derided but "Dour Scots" is acceptable. Anyone brave enough to post? I'd suggest we all post our views openly without fear of being called racist...

Well I think Ruffers, that is exactly why they will not go into the Premiership. No team in the Premiership needs more teams in the Premiership. However then if you look at the Championship, you might say that adding 2 teams and making the league 2 teams greater in number (without taking any teams out) might increase the overall marketability of that league. You might again say no, in which case you look down again to League 1, and maybe again to League 2 - but eventually 2 teams that have 60000 plus fans in Glasgow and hundreds of thousands of fans in England will make a league more attractive to the other teams in the league, their supporters and the advertisers. So the question is at what level would that happen? It is part of current thinking - when Man City dropped down to League 1 - the teams in that league thought it was great for the league - some glamour being brought in - if you offer them the opportunity to have 2 similar teams in their league, will they be interested? At some level, an English League will be interested, and my question is, at what level might that be?

the OP was slightly ironic - was anyone interested in what David Cameron said today? I was expecting something special and to be honest I was ready to be wooed - but it seems he said nothing of interest. If there is one highlight of the 2 weeks, then Mandelson wins hands down. His speech was fantastic. It was slimy, witty, moving, supportive and ambitious. Something that noone else achieved in the 3 party conferences, it was great to watch. Tony Blair said: "The project will only be complete when the Labour Party has learned to love Peter Mandelson."

Why monica, you are growing on me. I remember my T-Shirt from the 1994 World Cup "Ireland 1 Italy 0 Pizza Cake" You like it?

HonaloochieB Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Mick Mac Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > HonaloochieB Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > I Want You To Want Me - Cheap Trick > > > > > > > > I want you to want me - Cheap Mick > > I Want You To Want Me - Chap, Mick I want me to want you too HB - but I can't cos noone knows who you r ....(apart from BBW's Mum apparently)

Look here chaps, I may be new here and don't post much, but can I say. like real friends say: "Just come as you are" FFS, its a pub...

[its nice that BBW is in the inner circle now and can delagate his posts to The Chair. Fantastic, good work BBW.] However I think the trouble with going to "Uni" as either a mature student or on bursery is that it takes all of the fun away from it. Sorry, but Uni should be for 18 year olds and people who are growing in maturity. Its one of the biggest tests in life. Often its their first time away from home and often it is a long way from home. If you are of a different age when attending then fair enough but don't slag off younger people who are going through the biggest change in their life, and at the same time trying to achieve great academic success, which is a survival of the fittest and a test of how their maturity has grown over the 3/4 years.

HonaloochieB Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I Want You To Want Me - Cheap Trick I want you to want me - Cheap Mick

matthew123 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > To be honest Mick, you can't go inviting Celtic > and Rangers without inviting the rest of Scottish > football - the Old Firm departing for England will > finish Scottish football when it is already on > it's knees. Likes of Aberdeen, Hibs & Hearts would > also have to be included. Maybe a full merger > between English and Scottish football is for the > best. You don't really believe that do you Matt? - there are 2 teams in Scotland who stand apart from the rest. These teams are recognised by UEFA as being in the 20 clubs in Europe. Without them Aberdeen and Hearts etc will do well and can win a Scottish title - their fans will be rejuvenated. The question would be - if it is going to happen - and I think it will - what league will they begin in? Someone will want them, at some level....

I noticed she had perfect teeth. DC was talking at the time - no idea what he was on about, but what I do remember is that she had perfect teeth. Does that give anything away?

The Celtic Chief Executive Peter Lawell today said "We just want someone to want us". He's making his biggest pitch yet for inclusion in the English League, not necessarily the Premier League but at some level. Celtic need to be invited and it seems after today they will consider invitations at any level. Where will they end up and which league in England, if any, will they end up in? Whilst the Premiership don't necessarily want them, surely some lower league will see Celtic and Rangers as an asset for their league?

"i phone, you butter fingers."

yeah i know and for the castle i would not even have to get dressed up!