Mick Mac

I'd imagine they must have had some pretty good evidence on this one Simon. The player was induced to break his contract and I presume there must have seen something of this in writing to apply such a heavy charge?

I wish I had written that DM. The school I went to did all those things - My Father was in charge of career developement and he set up Alumni visiting days, coached pupils on career aspirations, performed best career fit analyses, advised on UCCA form completion, choice of university etc. But no one school can be all things to all people.

Tony - the "right on brigade" is alive and well in ED it seems.

I did see your post Tony - don't worry, I noticed you said it too.

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Swan in Stockwell. Had all my best night out in there.

That's fine Moos. I agree with most of that. I'm not sure the last line necessarily follows, although I am hoping that will be the case, at primary school level at least. As for secondary school, as there appears to be a baby boom in ED over the last 5-10 years and the primary schools are this year becoming overloaded, we are likely to need a new secondary school or face sending our children outside of ED to schools which currently serve other postcodes. The government will say but we have just given you two academies, so the chances of another school will be slim.

JSW - A good school in ED would be open to everyone based on locality, not earnings. Noone said there would an earnings requirement - we already have ample private education with an earnings requirement. Southwark is a poor borough which focuses its new Education provision on lower aspirational areas. ED is one of the the wealthiest parts of Southwark and is not being correctly catered for. Its very easy to take the moral high ground on this thread, but I firmly believe our area is not being looked after.

KK - that's a link to a Government site. Of course it is carefully worded.

Moos Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think it's snobbish to want better education > only for middle-class children. Moos - I think its snobbish to have better education only for those who can afford it. Thats the position we are in in Dulwich.

pk Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Mick Mac Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Bright kids are best challenged at more > demanding schools. More > > demanding schools are not the best place for > less intelligent pupils as they can fall behind. > I > > don't agree that schools for all abilities work > best for all children. > > > and are you suggesting that the 'middle-class' > kids are the brighter ones and those from > 'deprived areas' are the less intelligent ones? I don't think I have ever mentioned class PK.

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Like jeremy said, I think Mick's only mistake was > in the wording where I think he said 'better > demographic'...Am i going to send my kids to one > of the academies with their current results and > deprivation scores? No. Does this mean they are > bad schools, not neccessarily, does that make me a > snob, no, but my kids are middle-class kids with > middle class parents (there I said it mockney) > with 'middle class apirations including giving > them the best education possible (within the state > system). I don't think the academies are > delivering that for a whole bucket of reasons - so > the choice for many - who have the luxury of > choice - is basically to go private or move out. > Some schools which weren't just 'targeted' at > inner city deprivation with traditionally poor > results, would benefit all in the community, > including working class kids Keef, and reflect the > changing demography of the southern part of the > borough....and I think that is what MM is getting > at (correct me if I'm wrong MM). I don't think MM > envisages having someone on the gate checking to > see if kids coming in drop their aiches or say > toilet like wot I do. > > One cap fits all eh or you're a snob? Thanks for sticking your neck out Quids!

reggie Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Are poor people thick? No but thick people tend not to get rich.

Keef Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I just don't understand what you want Mick. The > best for your kids is obvious, and understandable, > but I don't get why you think there should be > different schools for different classes. And what > about the really clever kid living in a council > estate, should s/he apply for a special place in > your middle class school, or just go to the > working class school? > > Sorry mate, but I am shocked at what you seem to > be suggesting. That's ok Keef - noones going to fall out over this, I respect your opinion. Maybe I'm not putting mine very well. I understand this may make me appear snobbish, it obviously does. Perhaps its better put in terms of I agree with streaming in education. Bright kids are best challenged at more demanding schools. More demanding schools are not the best place for less intelligent pupils as they can fall behind. I don't agree that schools for all abilities work best for all children. The government caters specifically for deprived areas, but when was the lasttime they built a new secondary for ED that was not an academy (I don't know the answer). Our primary schools are being forced to take large amounts of extra pupils this year, the problem is going to hit ED secondary education in 5 or so years time. I think this should be planned for now or people will be forced to continue to leave ED, which I think is a shame.

Keef Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I read it as people with more money need better > schooling for this kids because they can afford to > live in a "better" area. That is wrong, and I am > not being PC in saying that (Quids). It's a very > very Tory style elitist thing to say. Unless I've > got it all wrong. Just for the record, middle > class kids are not born more academic, or > brighter. This sort of thing would just widen the > gap. Keef - I have always voted Labour and never Tory. I believe in good schooling for all. I believe Academies are a good idea to raise aspirations in deprived areas. I also believe in the Grammar school system - therefore I don't believe that throwing all children of all abilities in together works in all areas. I want a school that is right for ED, the people who live in ED and aimed at their childrens abilites. I don't believe I should have to pay for private education to get that. I don't want to move to Kent, I like ED.

Reggie I believe Labour, and many governments before them, have sought to put in place schools aimed at getting the best from deprived areas. There is therefore schooling specific for deprived areas.

Children from deprived backgrounds and children of wealthy families are well catered for in Dulwich. Middle income families cannot afford private education and Academies, if labour is honest, are geared at deprived areas. There is therefore a gap in schooling provided in Dulwich.

Thanks to those above for their support. Obviously not many people will agree with me unless they are in similar stage in life, and even then I'm not expecting much agreement. But I feel there is a gap in schooling provided in the area.

thanks for the obvious attempt to show me up but i dont regret the post. Its my opinion. Mick.

That was my post Reggie - my wife's login unfortunatley. I believe there is insufficient quality secondary schooling in the immediate area, forcing people to move out to the Grammar school systems of Kent or stay and pay. Academies are provided in the area but I believe their mandate is generally focused on education of deprived areas and that is a specialised form of education. In general ED to me is not a deprived area and needs higher geared schooling. I have had this debate with the people of the forum in general before and don't want to go over old ground - I would however like however to hear the view of James as to how the secondary schooling is being improved to meet the improving demographics of the area.

Forest Hill Werewolf in London?

No, I don't think so Matt. Its a recent photo, you can tell by the quality. And you can tell that this kid, already has more balls than Dirk Kuyt.

Anyone remember Anders Limpar - he won a lot of penalties before they sussed him out. He was the first one I remember to "flick" his leg as if he had been kicked, when he had not been touched. Good player though,

If people talk of north being Northern Ireland and the south being the Republic, I like to say that in that case, the most northerly part of Ireland, Malin Head, is in the South, that confuses them.