Mick Mac

630-8 is probably just about perfect time for young parents to enjoy a curry with kids and still feel they are not interrupting evening diners, who I would say should be entitled to a child free space from around 8. So from 6-8 I'd say you are eating early and expect same environment as say afternoon. So family-friendly dining ok at that time. Question then is only if they were misbehaving and only the people there at the time can answer that.

red devil Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Every cloud has a silver lining, that's one game > closer to LVG's P45. Interesting. I remember Celtic losing 4-0 to St Mirren and hoping Mowbrey would be sacked. Same with John Barnes and supercaleyarefantasticcelticareatrocious No spellchecker. But edited for spelling.

IngridB. Thanks for the informative post. And tbe realism. I agree, it's no coincidence. The Dulwich Picture Gallery cinema club must have been something special I'd imagine. But I was at the members opening night of the ED picture house and it was like being at a west end theatre, people in blazers etc lots of silver hair too. I'd imagine a lot of the village captive audience quite like the set up at the EDPH. This migration of support would not have happened if EDPH were a standard cinema, but the picture house is such a nice set up and a great place to spend an evening that even a film at the Picture Gallery is probably second best. Your great speakers still offer something different though so who knows.

Worth a mention: As a result of the ongoing troubles engulfing Bolton, the club announced earlier in this week that it could not pay this month?s wages as they wait for permission to buy an extra piece of land in order to push through the sale. However, it has now emerged the side?s manager and his staff have dipped into their own pockets in a desperate attempt to come to the rescue of employees, thought to be around 300, who have been given empty pay packets.

What about her shoes.

James Barber. When I quoted your post I deleted your reference to 82 years as it's a bit of nonsense. Obviously SE21 won't be happy to be top of this list. Expect the wrath of the Village peeps.

John Major works for Dulwich Estates! Is that what he's doing now. I bet he doesn't raise the rent on local Currie houses.

I've been to the Cherry Tree in a babygrow and was thrown out at 730. Not even a bell for last orders.

landsberger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'm sanguine about this, having lived on the > continent for a while but at the end of the day, > it's about how people behave. I saw a woman in a > bar recently ask the barman to turn the music down > as "my child wants to sleep, isn't it obvious?", > which left me open mouthed. People don't generally drink so heavily on the continent in the way we do here so bars are relatively safe for children. Big generalisation I know.

red devil Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Mick, how did last year's weight loss programme > go?... ill read that as a genuine question RD - Lost well over a stone in January 2015 - slowly putting most of it all back on over the following 11 months, this January have lost half a stone and hope to lose a bit more. its a bit easier to shake the weight off in a dry janaury, which I was doing last year.

James Barber Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It looks like 61 burglaries per 1000 homes over > the last 5 years reported for SE21 pot code. > So a 1.22% chance of being burgled each year > living in SE21 > Is that really a burglary hotspot? > Absolutely - a greater than 6% chance of being burgled in a five year period is horrendous.

Alan Medic Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'm Irish and never heard of it. Lent maybe. I > once gave up for about 5 years. That's a lot of > January's. They all said you weren't much fun without a drink.

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think you're right DaveR, it's a different > offering. Picturehouse can offer something the > film club can't. So, make sure you provide > something that the Picturehouse can't. Partly in agreement - The picture house offers a lot more aside the movie itself - a great venue for a drink or snack - you feel good just walking into the place - hard to compete with when people are choosing their local movie options. There must have been a fair proportion of people who used film club as a substitute for a local cinema - you might struggle to attract them back, in reality, irrespective of how you sell it. Obviously we hope the film clubs survive but I would have my doubts.

Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Exactly. I'd often go to the pub alone, knowing > I'd see friendly faces when I got there. And some > of those friendly faces became actual good > friends. > > With the exception of old school friends, that is > how I met the majority of my pals. Just like an old fashioned online local forum.

Obviously im faaar too busy to read all of a thread.

Take that Jeremy!

Other than allowing adults to have a chid free experience, another angle springs to my mind: For the safety of the children and babies themselves, they shouldn't be allowed in pubs after 7.30 (even the restaurant parts) Punters do seem to drink a bit more heavily in the evening than they do during the day.

Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I was thinking about it, and what I really miss > are those people who you'd never exchange numbers > with or see outside of the pub environment. But > who you'd greet by name in the pub and have a > laugh with. That's what I mean by "pub culture" > and that's what I miss. What some people call a "locals" pub - people go, alone sometimes and just hang out.

Surely the film clubs existed because we didn't have a cinema.... I can see some people preferring a club if it includes some "club" advantages over a cinema such as post movie discussions but i'd be surprised if they survived long term tbh.

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Seabag Wrote: > > > I do find the pubs with serious food, which is > priced accordingly, are more likely to have a lack > of 'small people' running around > what's an example of that type of pub?

Nothing wrong with games in certain types of pubs - but pubs have changed. With a few exceptions (Jeremy) its likely the owners will go one way or the other. I used to love pool matches in the Finsbury Park Tavern but I wouldn't bring my wife and children there. You could say the same things about the evolution of the greasy spoons from working men's smoking stations to family eating areas. Most have changed but some have stayed the same, wanted to keep the same punters. Some pubs intentionally wanted to change their punters, eg CPT to TGE.

Louisa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Mick Mac I always found pool and darts to be > really popular social events in pubs, with teams > competing from rival pubs. I do not recognise the > antisocial aspect of this side of traditional pub > culture at all? Pubs more welcoming? How do you > reach that conclusion? All I see are people in > groups stood around or sat around eating and not > letting anyone in or even recognising/conversing > with strangers. It's all because incredibly > antisocial. Family friendly pubs, for me, means > gentrified yummy mummy play centres where they can > nurse a coffee or small glass of wine for a couple > of hours while their darling offspring run around > the pub making it uncomfortable for everyone else. Go to the Great Exhibition on a Saturday afternoon and there arent many people nursing coffees. These pubs are not aimed at professional drinkers - they are aimed at professionals who eat and drink, with their offspring eating too. Anyway you missed the point - ask yourself how the pub games originated - suggests to me people were bored and invented/incorporated a game into their drinking day, or the owner thought it was a good way to keep them there longer. Some establishments still thrive on this but not the local "gentrified" market, their pitch is very different.

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Louisa - Surely logic suggests that games in pubs were invented to take away boredom amongst men who wouldn't talk. If they are not necessary now then that's a suggestion that people go to pubs as groups, with things to talk about, and that pubs are more welcoming places for all. The pubs that have children and families in are primarily being aimed at that market - they are in business to make money after all. We don't need darts flying around in family friendly pubs.