Fuschia

Then I feel cheated of my evening Is it just me? I have been waking at 530 to feed baby and even Though he goes back to sleep till 7 usually I don't ...mixture of feeling I should give mr f a break as hd usually gets up with the twins and looks very tired (mind you he stays up past midnight playing games) and on days I too tired to drag myself out of bed someone seems to open the door and let lOose the dogs of war anyway

?300, yes Ours still going strong after almost 39months

Another word for the nipper It's so easy to Use more often than not we pop baby in one side and luggage in the other or fall back for twins So it must be a nice buggy .. Or we would have been keen to junk it

Nipper 360 most popular amongst twin mums ... Along with mountain equipment adventure buggy (pricey) Jane powertwin tandem also good and easy to manAge

Adding hot water to the powder to kill the rare bit potentially fatal bacteria in the powder is key though From a risk point of view, the incidence is low but the danger is very high

Saila I think you are totally worrying About the wrong thIng Not using hot water as suggested because you think the danger if destroying protein is greater than from formula contamination, despite all the evidence, is rather bizarre to me! Still, good luck to you I do suggest peoPle check it out properly though, before deciding not to fill the recommendatiOn

Daniel or Claire at health matters

There's a few bacteria that are a risk within the formula Big yes, follow the advice and you minimise the risk of making the baby I'll Deciding not to follow that advice because you think using hot water might destroy the proteins seems a bit muddled to me... Given that the advice is based on solid research But I confess I am a bit OCD on the science of these thIngs and spend far too much time looking into it all Definitely what that Fsa research calls a 'purist' I guess!

This is the Fsa research into attitudes to milk prep and revised advice http://www.food.gov.uk/multimedia/pdfs/powderinfantform.pdf Fascinating!

The advice is not to use boiling water though Water cooled for up to 30ons will be at the right temp There is no evidence that this affects thd nutritional quality of the feed at all In fact I think if you delve into the production of the formula it goes through several Stages make the cows milk proteins more digestible

Just had a quick google If you actually boil cows milk for several minutes the proteins start to denature .. This actually makes them More digestible Baby formula has already been ultra heat treated at several stages in the manufacturing process I think you are worrying unnecessarily saila, thinking it best not to follow the preparation advice because of an unfounded fear I know this is a bit of a diversion but I find it really fascinating, the way that people respond to health information

Not that I am a nutritionist, of course but I hVe looked very closely at the FSa info and research and there certainly wAs no reference to hot water destroying the protein in the milk

I presume when the food standards agency did all thd microbiological testing to determine the safest way they took into account the nutritional value of thd made up feed What makes you think heat destroys protein, saila? Most protein is cooked before eating - meat, fish, eggs.. If you drink hot milk it has the same nutritional value as cold, surely I would bD interested to see where you got that information from

There have been done very high profile cases with contaminated powder, Laura I tend to think of it along the lines of advice to cook chicken thoroughly I think if your bottles aren't sterilised but washed in the dishwasher and you wash your own hands thoroughly before doing the prep then the chances of anything nasty getting into the feed are slim ... But if there can be factory contamination of the powder with dangerous bacteria then that mIght be too much of a risk for you I think it's a question of informed consent though There is just so much confusion ... Doesn't help

Mellors Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I confess I always made mine in the past by adding > a bit of boiling water straight from the kettle, > shaking it then topping up to the right level with > cold water straight from the tap. Probably safer than the cooled boiled water option At least you put hot water on the powder!

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Elliott bank is a school But actually it's st christophers hospice I was thinking of

No, that's right FM. That's HOT water at the recommended temp to kill any nasty bacteria in the powder. COOLED boiled water is pretty much cold.. you know you see people with a bottle prefilled with water, topping it with powder from a special little pot? Boiling the water but then using it cold sort of assumes the dangerous bacteria are in the water supply, as opposed to the formula powder. I think there is still a belief the powder is 'sterile'

Elliot bank I think?

You could use a little carton, but it's pricey PS Even with the cereal with milk added I think I would make it up with hot water and let it cool

In terms of formula safety the important thing is to include the scalding stage.. if you are unable to make the milk fresh as per the official advice then the recommended fallback (as per Food Standards Agency) is to keep hot water in a flask, or to chill the made up formula and store it in the fridge for a short time. Ironically, what is not recommended at all ever is to make milk up with cooled boiled water ... but it seems to be so common. I really don't understand why people do that ...but that's the little bee I have in my bonnet (work colleague had her grand daughter seriously ill with gastro enteritis that was linked to formula so I do harp on about it rather) Sorry to hijack your thread!!

Can I attend, I meant Damn iPhone!

srisky Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'm sure I'm going to be shot down for this > comment but this is my opinion (and that of 5 > paediatricians I know): > You know a lot of paediatricians. However they don't actually deal with births, that's an obestrician.

hellosailor Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > when is that window fuschia? 4 or 6-8 weeks apparently

Stick with it because there is a window they are more receptive