Fuschia

http://www.pantley.com/elizabeth/links/PantleyNoCryBooklet.pdf

helena handbasket Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Speaking of sleep deprivation, why are new moms > (with let's face it, baby brains) forced to find > out basic important health information on the > internet? Fuschia, you're a pro at finding these > websites but if I recall it was all I could do to > check my email once a week! Don't you get heaps of leaflets in the bounty pack and from the MW/HV? I seem to recall throwing away loads of stuff! THis looks a good source of NHS advice for new mums, anyway... http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/childhealth0-1/Pages/Childhealth0-1overview.aspx

As babies get bigger, their sleep pattern does change. Plus you possibly have teething thrown into the mix, or he's getting ill maybe. I always find a terrible night is thankfully a one off (had both twins wake when I went to bed last night, not off till 1, then one and other woke from 4aM. I gave up and handed them over to Mr F at 5.30am. There are people who will say feeding a baby to sleep is BAD, me I think it's very natural and I have always done it, it is very lovely in many ways but it does tend to mean the baby gets used to having you there to soothe it to sleep and whne it gets to the stage where it enters light sleep every 45mins, as it does, then it needs your help to get back off again. The gentle approach is to gently teach other sleep associations - a bedtime routine, maybe with a bath, a blanket or soft toy, maybe a special CD. Try to move to where the baby doesn't fall asleep feeding, but comes off the breast (or bottle) sleepy but awake. Establishing this will mean at night you can move away from having to feed each time, eventually to a shush and a pat when needed (via some cuddling and walking) Elizabeth Pantley's Book No Cry Sleep Solution is very good. http://www.pantley.com/elizabeth/ I don't hold with letting a baby cry (beyond a few minutes when over-tired and protesting, or just grumbling a bit on waking and might still go back off) although "sleep training" is a whole industry. Human babies are mammals and designed to be with their parents at night, light sleeping in an evolutionary practice to keep them safe from wolves etc... Leaving them to cry raises levels of stress hormones and permanently affects brain chemistry. :-( Re daytime napping, good naps will help with night time sleep... while I'm not a great fan of rigid "out of the book" routine, but having some pattern to yor days if you don't already, might encourage him to start to nap better.. again, as babies get older they change and 16w is still quite young... a daytime pattern emerged for mine from about 4/5m. One guide is wake for 2 hours, nap... awake for 3 hours... nap... then bed 4h after waking. Mine are still braodly on that sort of schedule. You can encourage napping at the times you'd like by going for a walk with the buggy, or both getting into bed with the curtaisn drawn... Again, a baby might wake after 45 mins nap, grouching, and need help getting back off to sleep for a longer nap. xx

Soya: http://www.cps.ca/ENGLISH/statements/N/InfantSoyConcern.htm http://www.food.gov.uk/news/newsarchive/2002/oct/phytoestrogen_draft_report

Interesting article: http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/families/article6729225.ece Especially Rachel Cusk "?I remember the night sleep left me. It happened in hospital. I had suspected nothing. Several hours earlier I had had a baby; people had come and gone, flowers had been brought. Darkness fell. Presently it was half past ten or so, time to go to sleep. I wrapped the baby up in blankets like a new purchase, a present that I would unwrap and look at again in the morning. I slept. When I woke again some time later, it was to realise with real surprise that the terrible, persistent wailing racketing through the ward was ?me?, as people now say of their mobile phones. My new purchase had gone off in the dead of night like some alarm I didn?t know how to disconnect.? "

Yep, weather allowing. I can give you the pots then, NL!

High fat is good for children though! Breastmilk is high fat, low protein, after all...

I expressed for the twins until just last week (almost 16m now) and now if they need a bottle they have cows milk. They're not in childcare atm, come September when they start back, I doubt they will that bothered about a bottle. But if they are, it will be cows milk. Usually they drink water from a cup, milk from me.

Some more info here, HH: http://www.gentlebirth.org/archives/breech.html (Don't read right to the very end, it has a scary story about ECV at the bottom) Might be wortn trying a session of hypnotherapy and getting an MP3 from her to play at night? I can recommend Chrirstine Neillands http://www.advanced-hypnosis-works.co.uk/ also my acupuncturist claire Battersby at health matters.

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HeidiHi Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > Lots of people are encouraging me to try the ECV > but the fact that it is posing a big problem for > me might be my instincts telling me not to do > because of the fact that he is going in any > position BUT down now. That's a hard one, HH. Though if they do a successful ECV, you will be giving birth in hospital later and they are on hand to deal with any problems that may arise. I don't know what I'd do in your position. I was aware of the possibility that twin I would turn breech, and we'd need a planned CS (they don't try ECV with twins) and I read up about "good" caesarians and felt Ok in my head that if was necessary, it was necessary, and a case where medical intervention is well justified. It would have been very awkward not being able to drive after, mind you, as MrF doesn't drive.. also breastfeeding twins after a CS (and enduring the hospital stay) would have been grim. But i accepted that it might be necessary for a safe birth. Even though you may hear of cases where there were serious complications, they are few and far between. The late stages of labour aren't the time to be told of these bad cases... it just stresses you.

HH, I tend to agree with you, if a baby persists in remianing breech you wonder why. Though your placenta was low, wasn't it?I think they tend to like facing the cord.. my first baby was posterior for that reason for a lot of the time (anterior placenta) Hope you are getting good support from those around while you decide whether to go for the ECV. xx

Sanity Girl, you're a genius.. that looks just like him!

I think for 10 children at home, you could entertain them yourselves with things like making hats, a treasure hunt, pass the parcel, apple bobbing...(or the dry equivalent, hang those circular iced biscuits with holes in the middle on a bit of string for them to try to bite with thir hands behind their backs..) Maybe make a little mini icecream bar and let them make their own sundaes with fruit, sprinkles, sauce etc?

Peckhamgatecrasher Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > @ Fuschia: SeanMacGabhann - the voice of > conciliation and reason on the wider forum! Ah, well a little bit of reason never goes amiss!

My koala was lost on the first day of nursery and never found . Sob. Also one of our twins was hospitalised for a week in january (very traumatic) and at some point when they changed her bed, all the sheets were going into red sacks as in isolation, her furry hippo was swept up and taken away, never to be returned. (And was originally bought years ago in the States, so no chance of buying one the same)

Gubodge Wrote: There is absolutely no > nutritional reason why a child over one should > have anything other than cows milk Or breast milk :-)

Peckhamgatecrasher Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Oh my goodness, Fuschia. Were you and SeanMac > separated at birth? Who's Sean Mac?

Prada-nic, I think people are pretty welcoming here. But getting into a pedantic argument about what constitutes a stillbirth... when on the thread you have a woman whose baby was nearly lost at birth.. and another woman facing a breech delivery.. it's just not very tactful! I know pregnancy is a time of high emotion... don't leave, just forget about this for now and come back on another, less emotive, thread, I'd suggest! xx

Too wet for us as one baby is still crawling and wet grass is no good for him. Plus they both have some snotty plague we're best not to spread around. Better luck next week, hopefully (and let's fix a wet weather contingency)

I think there's a fear about soya and disruption to boys' hormones... but I'm sure in moderation it's fine.

I did think stilborn meant never took a breath... I have a friend whose daughter was stillborn :-( Thank goodness linzkg's son wasn't subject to the same sad fate!

"After 12 months whole pasteurised cow?s milk can be given as the main milksource. To ensure adequate calcium intake 300-600ml or equivalent in dairy produce (2-3 portions) should be taken per day" http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:EQe_MjO5c-cJ:www.health-promotion.cdd.nhs.uk/media/pdf/d/g/heguidelines0-5_1.pdf+how+much+cow%27s+milk+one+year+old+nhs+uk&cd=34&hl=en&ct=clnk 600ml is a pint I think

About 2/3 of a pint a day, though cheese and yoghurt count too. Some people think babies should be weaned off teats after 1y... personally i'm more laid back! do brush teeth afterwards at night though i'd gradually make the switch... better continue with formula for a while than risk sudden milk refusal I'd say xx

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2009/jul/18/breastfeeding-mothers http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jul/28/breastfeeding-women-liberation