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Dogkennelhillbilly Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- Amusingly (not amusingly) it now looks like in the next five years Scotland will retaliate against Brexit by...putting up borders with its closest neighbour and inflicting even greater financial damage than Brexit did! And Indy supporters will just dismiss it as ''teething problems''...

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Doesn't that leave the UK as a rule taker rather > than a rule-maker as part of the EU tho? Isn't > that one of the big no-nos (and not just for > extreme leavers?) Yep, but in the current circumstances I suspect a majority of people would accept that, especially if it was done in a softly softly catchy monkey kinda way. I'm not an advocate of any kind of Brexit, but unfortunately it's where we are at the moment and that's the best of a bad bunch. What do you think should happen?...

TheCat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > How very noble of you. Its interesting you pick > that example of the two I liste, given how well > Labour and its supporters are known for their > collective togetherness:) I didn't highlight the second part of that paragraph because I thought it was a false equivalence and not worth commenting on. I don't identify as a Labour voter, more a tactical/swing voter, however in the current climate I'm very likely to vote Labour. Labour has always been a broad church (perhaps its downfall) but safe to say I would reserve a special place in Hell for Lexiters. > Lets hypothesise that Labour win teh next election > in a few years...but they also pledge not to > reverse Brexit as it would be electoral > suicide.....so they will be the one's takign > action for the bettrerment or otherwise of the > country...the same opporuntities and drawbacks > will be open to them as are open to the Tories > now....will we be able to seperate the two then? I doubt Labour would try to reverse Brexit, certainly not without another referendum (by the way, I don't think it would be electoral suicide if there was a pact with the other progressive parties, after all it was the split progressive vote and the Brexit Party standing down that gave the Tories their victory, not an actual majority in favour of Brexit...polls have widened since). Instead, I think (hope) they would try and align us closer to the EU, e.g. work towards a Norway style model. You have to remember that the EU are not going to welcome us back unless there is a clear change of opinion in favour of rejoining, so until that happened I can see a strategy of slowly renewing economic ties with the EU gaining general public approval, hopefully leading to the return of FoM. In other words, a form of Brexit that could've happened before the evangelical cranks took over...

TheCat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Do all labour voters have exactly the same view on > specifics of every policy they want implemented? If I voted for a Labour Gov and they then proceeded to royally screw up, failed to deliver on promises etc, I would stick my hand up in the air and say I was wrong to vote for them, not look for a convenient Get Out of Jail card because I didn't agree with certain things in their manifesto. It's called collective responsibility...

Agree KK but there still needs to be accountability, especially as we have a Gov that won on the back of Brexit, and I envisage they will try again with a ''Don't ley them undo Brexit'' schtick at the next election...

Dogkennelhillbilly Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ...cheerleaders tend to pack up once the game is over. Poor choice of word on my part, I was actually referring to the protagonists i.e. Johnson et al. I think we all know that had there been any actual tangible benefits there would've been a lot of tubthumping from this Gov...

My own view...is that the first few years would alwasy be the toughest, and we would see some short term pain before the opening up of longer term opportunity. And if that doesn't materialise we all know what follows. That wasn't my Brexit And so it goes on...

The real bellwether about whether Brexit has been good or not is how much, or in this case, how little it's proponents 'big it up'. Where are all the Brexit cheerleaders telling us how good it's been? Their relative silence speaks volumes...

The bottom-line is, if you make it harder for people to travel for what was previously a very user-friendly experience, they'll seek alternatives... Eurovoyages, a French company that sent 11,000 students to the UK in 2019, said less than 100 students would go to UK in 2021. Verdie Open Class, another French operator, that had 800 school groups in 2019 (36,000 students) has 34 scheduled for 2022. None are confirmed. Full article here...https://www.ft.com/content/3a903e3f-228e-4ea0-9f26-012af4582196?shareType=nongift

Anyone who believed such nonsense truly is misguided. You're getting rather good at managing to answer your own questions...

What's juvenile is mocking the idea that it takes years for an economy to adjust to such a seismic change Except it was never sold as that... There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside.

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Double Bubble. Week 13 fixtures... Saturday 27th November Arsenal v Newcastle United Crystal Palace v Aston Villa Liverpool v Southampton Norwich City v Wolverhampton Wanderers Brighton & Hove Albion v Leeds United Sunday 28th November Brentford v Everton Burnley v Tottenham Hotspur Leicester City v Watford Manchester City v West Ham United Chelsea v Manchester United Tuesday 30th November Newcastle United v Norwich City Leeds United v Crystal Palace Wednesday 1st December Southampton v Leicester City Watford v Chelsea West Ham United v Brighton & Hove Albion Wolverhampton Wanderers v Burnley Aston Villa v Manchester City Everton v Liverpool Thursday 2nd December Tottenham Hotspur v Brentford Manchester United v Arsenal

Week 12 points... Week 12 table...

I was late to BBC4's Paris Police 1900 series in their regular Sat night foreign series slot, so have been playing catch-up on iPlayer, imagine the offspring of Spiral and Peaky Blinders. They're currently showing Stieg Larsson's Millennium series (Girl with the dragon tattoo etc), also worth watching...

It works for a non-gender-specific character such as Doctor Who, but I'm not convinced simply swapping a well known male character like James Bond for a female is that forward thinking, far better to come up with an original female character rather than tagging onto an existing male one...

Week 12 fixtures... Saturday 20th November Leicester City v Chelsea Aston Villa v Brighton & Hove Albion Burnley v Crystal Palace Newcastle United v Brentford Norwich City v Southampton Watford v Manchester United Wolverhampton Wanderers v West Ham United Liverpool v Arsenal Sunday 21st November Manchester City v Everton Tottenham Hotspur v Leeds United

I think it's safe to say the novelty definitely wore off for one person... Two months after leaving it, Andrew Neil is still wringing his hands about his time at GB News. Speaking to Sky News, the veteran broadcaster said his time there was a ?mistake? that caused ?pain and aggravation? and that the channel ? founded to cater to a range of views ? is basically a ?UKIP tribute band?.

I recently had a Windows 10 update, just went to a webpage that I know I hadn't signed out of, and it asked me to sign back in with the password. I also got the cookie settings blurb about what I consented to, something I'd done previously...

Again, he hasn?t taken his country down a uniquely awful path, damaging it reputationaly... Well, there were those 'away days' in the 80's to be taken into consideration, Sergio Tacchini has a lot to answer for...

There's that reasoned thinking again...

Cat likes to paint himself as a reasoned thinker, that before the referendum he was open minded as to which way to vote, so went away and looked into both sides' arguments in great detail. Then concluded that it would indeed be tough leaving the EU but at least it enabled 'policy change'. Then proceeded to bet the house on nothing more than the presumption that a competent Gov would come along and save the day, and yes, he cited a 10-year plan. Not forgetting his subsequent support for No Deal. Reasoned thinker my arse...