keano77

Oh well, there?s nothing to be gained going over old ground again

Oh dear, we?re back to blue pill again

No of course pk and I?m not suggesting otherwise as, I suspect, you well know. I?m talking about a foreign body attempting to dictate to a sovereign country and its courts what they can and can?t do I?m not sure Remainers, who always emphasised perceived economic downsides, ever really understood the bigger, universal, concepts of democracy, freedom, sovereignty etc around this issue.

You?re right there Sephiroth. Whatever the outcome some will be unhappy. The only thing certain is we are going through a period of upheaval from all sides with environmental, economic, social and cultural demands. My view is we need unfettered flexibility to deal with these changes. Others disagree.

Blah Blah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > And the madness of hard Brexit supporters > continues..... > > Keano, we are about to enter the biggest recession > ever on WTO terms. As previously stated I think a deal of sorts will be reached as it?s in all our interests We are not going to be any > threat to the EU or any other trading block as we > scramble to save our economy. The EU disagrees with you here which is why they want to sign the UK up to a legally binding ?level playing? field under the jurisdiction of EU courts Oh and you might > want to ask why government are refusing to share > the details of any agreed trades deals with > Parliament, even after they are signed, while you > are at it. Can?t comment on this as I don?t know anything about it

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > " a load of unelected EU apparatchiks who want to > spend our money and tell us what to do" > > you do know this is not normal language? normal > people don't speak like this? and bajillions of > people of all classes in EU countries just > wouldn't even recognise what you are saying? Maybe people in the EU aren?t as daft as you think when it comes to the English language Sephiroth. European Council president Charles Michel says the EU is "ready to put a tiger in the tank but not to buy a pig in a poke". https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-boris-johnson-and-eu-chiefs-agree-new-momentum-needed-in-trade-talks-12007332 Give me a shout if those who?ve received a British education don?t understand what he said

Ok I googled it. So in plain English (which apparently nobody uses or understands these days) open-minded and aware versus closed mind and ignorant.

I?ve no idea what blue pill is supposed to mean. Is it a drug the EU hands out to its citizens to lobotomise while it?s spending their money - a bit like Soma in Huxley?s Brave New World?

Yep, there has certainly been a dumbing down. I blame social media ?schooling? people

Anyone know what time Boris?s video summit with a load of unelected EU apparatchiks who want to spend our money and tell us what to do is? Is it being shown on telly?

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > it wasn't the eu begging for previous extension > and they aren't this time either - but they are > open to the idea so that we don't embarrass/damage > ourselves farther. They are open to the idea because they are poo-ing their pants that Britain will become more competitive to their stale lumbering tortoise of a structure. Why else are they trying to impose restrictions on a sovereign power?

The EU might beg for an extension - depends on how bad things get with the world economy

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > If the EU are close to blinking why are we even in > a 1 year extension already? I?m sure you don?t need a history lesson from me but it?s because a coalition of Remainers forced BJ to request one. Most of the miscreants were booted out at the general election and are probably now on furlough.

You might find that the notion of the ?EU? that you?ve done such a fine job trying to defend and promote for the past five or six years no longer exists post Covid Thursday?s coronabonds/debt sharing meeting will be interesting

Panic ye not (former) Remainers. The EU wants a deal, the UK wants a deal and Barnier doesn?t want to end his career as the patsy who blew it. Cue typical EU fudge around Christmas time.

Blah Blah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > fishbiscuits Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I also kind of like the idea of putting it in a > > museum... lying on it's side, complete with > > graffiti. With an explanation of both the slave > > trade and the BLM movement. > > Excellent idea! Or in a tank of water a la Damien Hirst

?...school me...? Interesting Americanism. Never came across that before. Thanks pk, you live and learn

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So will of the people. > > Glen > > What is happening with the border in the Irish > Sea? The one we were assured would never be > accepted by any British prime minister. But is > actually happening > > Reasons? > > If you don?t extend transition period, a country > (this one) which is struggling badly with a > pandemic will be on its knees as the cost and > disruption of no deal takes place. I know you > still have your fingers in your ears (will of the > people!!!!!) but please. For the sake of the > country. Face up to reality > > (If a referendum was held today to nullify Brexit > btw - I reckon your will of the people would net > you about 35%) > > But you won. On you go. I will be blaming you > tho Yawn to the power of a googolplex

I?m sure you are correct KK and it?s been done with the best of intentions. It's the ...?just some controls in place...? that we need to keep an eye on as we enter the brave new world.

Call me old fashioned but Permits, identity cards and checkpoints are not my idea of a free society, especially at a tip. Could be worse I suppose. I?m waiting for the directive where you can only take what you can fit on the back of a bicycle.

Rockets Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You need to download and print your permit and put > that and a recent utility bill on your dashboard - > you also need a photocard driving licence. As you > drive towards the recycling centre there is an > initial holding point before the roundabout where > you stop and they check your number plate, look at > your permit and utility bill through the > windscreen and then they look at your driving > licence through the (closed) car window. If you > are early for your time slot you then wait there > but I was within the time slot so was waved > through. As you enter the facility they stop you > again, check your number plate against their > records and then radio ahead and wave you through. > At the top of the ramp they stop you again to tell > you which bay to go to. The bays are bigger than > usual and each bay has easy access to the > different categories of waste so you don't have to > go near anyone. What a load of nonsense. I?ve visited communist countries that were easier to get into. The place is as big as an aircraft hangar. Get a grip Southwark.

Renata Hamvas Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Definitely not allowed! Please Mountain walker, > could you email me any details you can, where, > what time, age of players etc so that we can try > and identify whether it is one of the clubs that > usually use the park to play. my details are below > thanks Renata Renata, you say it is definitely not allowed. But to my knowledge you are wrong on this. There is no law to say how many people can gather and no law to say you have to keep 2 metres apart. These are all recommendations for our own good and while infringements to Liberty we hope people will willingly accept them given the pandemic. I mention this because people complaining about this that and the other seem confused on the various threads. Lord Sumption has been explaining this well on the news programmes and it is why most of the police arrests we?ve been hearing about cannot be prosecuted as no law or laws have been broken.

Posted by Blah Blah Today, 05:37PM ?...Note that China has reported new cases of infection in a province in the North, not linked to people coming into the country from elsewhere...? Latest info is North Korea and Russia account for some of this infection https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-52613138

Spartacus Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Keano your statement of "Unfortunately Spartacus > the emotive argument you present will only go so > far. The longer lockdown continues in the U.K. the > danger is the economy will collapse, house prices > and pensions will collapse and unemployment will > be unprecedented." Is also a dangerous emotive > drive for people to make a decision based on > protecting their financial assets, over protecting > lives in my mind. > > My argument above is that the public shouldn't be > asked to make a decision because for what ever > reason they will be tempted to vote based on their > own particular circumstances rather than what is > actually best for the country / population as a > whole. > > Maybe there needs to be an external and balanced, > in terms of scientific and economical members, > committee to review and make decisions on when and > how to come out of lock down rather than a public > vote Fair enough Spartacus. It was not a direct criticism. I don?t have the answers.

Posted by Spartacus Today, 02:25PM ?... Yes when the time is right, the numbers of new infections are so low that a second wave is not on the horizon then, and only then should we really consider relaxing the lock down in controlled and measures phases, but doing it for any other reason is blatant stupidity and selfish in my opinion.? My reading of jimlad48?s post was an attempt to ask the question when is the time going to be right to relax lockdown? Many European countries are about to start to do so in some limited fashions. Unfortunately Spartacus the emotive argument you present will only go so far. The longer lockdown continues in the U.K. the danger is the economy will collapse, house prices and pensions will collapse and unemployment will be unprecedented. A destroyed economy will be no reward for the carers who are sacrificing so much nor for the rest of us.