42 Bus route extention...

[Vik]

I noticed a Double Decker driving in and out of Sainsburys the other day, now a new bus stand has appeared on Dog Kennel Hill, looks like the 42 is ready for action!

https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/bus-route-42

[Ruskin]

I wonder if this is also why they've planted new cameras on DKH?

[Bic Basher]

The bus stand was installed at DKH outside the park a few months ago.

What hasn't happened yet is where the 42 will park within Sainsbury's? There's a spare space at the bus stop for the bus, although it may share the current bus stop with the P13.

[Tractorlad]

Just in time for Tower Bridge to be out of action for three months!

[BrandNewGuy]

That's what I thought. They're going to start the service from Druid St SE1 from Oct 1st to Dec 31st and not serve north of the river.

http://content.tfl.gov.uk/tower-bridge-bus-diversion-map.pdf

[Cora]

Wow - thanks for the tip - we always get the 42 to Liverpool street.....could've scuppered our Christmas journey!

[Passiflora]

Yes, the double decker number 42s have been trundling along Red Post Hill over the past weeks/months.

Maybe that's what caused a major waterpipe burst early this morning on Red Post which affected the whole area, living wise and traffic wise?

Who knows but Red Post Hill and surrounding roads are left with the clear up all because of another 'consultation/extension'.

[BrandNewGuy]

Buit as you say, there is no evidence for double decker buses cuasing a water main burst, so the rest of what you say is speculation.

[Lowlander]

Hardly any difference in weight between a single/double decker. Both around 12-14 tonnes.

Believe the Boris bus is around 12 so lighter than your average single decker.

I'll get my anorak.

[nxjen]

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[Nigello]

"Believe the Boris bus is around 12 so lighter than your average single decker."

Red AND green - how clever.

Still think SE22 needs a couple of express services/services served by smaller vehicles at certain times of the day but have been told by GLA trsnsport highest-up that because the current services are not jam packed - people can still board - they are not needed.

[Villager]

Lowlander Wrote:

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> Hardly any difference in weight between a

> single/double decker. Both around 12-14 tonnes.

>

> Believe the Boris bus is around 12 so lighter than

> your average single decker.

>

> I'll get my anorak.

The reference guide in my anorak pocket advises as follows:-

1. Single deck bus (like P13) = 6.5T nett and 9.5T gross

2. Boris bus = 12.6T nett and 16T gross

[Lowlander]

Villager Wrote:

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> Lowlander Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Hardly any difference in weight between a

> > single/double decker. Both around 12-14

> tonnes.

> >

> > Believe the Boris bus is around 12 so lighter

> than

> > your average single decker.

> >

> > I'll get my anorak.

>

> The reference guide in my anorak pocket advises as

> follows:-

>

> 1. Single deck bus (like P13) = 6.5T nett and 9.5T

> gross

> 2. Boris bus = 12.6T nett and 16T gross

The P13 is operated by E200 Darts

http://www.londonbusroutes.net/details.htm

Which are, according to the manufacturer, 13.2t ? 14.4t GVW

http://www.alexander-dennis.com/products/enviro200-euro6/

I really must get out more

[Bic Basher]

Those 42 bus drivers will have 'fun' trying to get along Red Post Hill. It's bad enough when the P4 driver today had to navigate traffic islands and parked cars/vans.

[tomdhu]

Can't wait for it to start running. Anyone have inside info on a date?

[Passiflora]

On the 42 yesterday the driver told me next Saturday.

He wasn't looking forward to it.

[Amaryllis]

Sadly, this is going ahead despite the Red Post Hill residents not being consulted in writing and submitting a petition from the residents stating that we do not want double deckers. They have given a spurious reason for the new routing because of tree preservation orders on Sunray avenue, to which we are also subject. This has very much been pushed through against our wishes and actions. Even Helen Hayes has petitioned TFL to change the route and they sadly haven't listened to her either...

[Green Goose]

Amaryllis Wrote:

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Even Helen Hayes has petitioned TFL

> to change the route and they sadly haven't

> listened to her either...

Her credibilty is shot as she is always whinging about TFL and train operators. They just ignore her now.

[slarti b]

Villager Wrote:

> The reference guide in my anorak pocket advises as follows:-

>

> 1. Single deck bus (like P13) = 6.5T nett and 9.5T

> gross

> 2. Boris bus = 12.6T nett and 16T gross

Does it tell you the length and width of the single decker (ie P4) vs double decker to be used on the 42 route? Due to the traffic island "chicanes" on Red Post Hill I think manoeuvrability is more important than weight

[Amaryllis]

I believe that this has been considered as part of the road changes that were made prior to the consultation.

Which is why the consultation by TFL has been such a sham. It's really not the right road for all these big buses.

[Lowlander]

slarti b Wrote:

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> Villager Wrote:

> > The reference guide in my anorak pocket advises

> as follows:-

> >

> > 1. Single deck bus (like P13) = 6.5T nett and

> 9.5T

> > gross

> > 2. Boris bus = 12.6T nett and 16T gross

>

> Does it tell you the length and width of the

> single decker (ie P4) vs double decker to be used

> on the 42 route? Due to the traffic island

> "chicanes" on Red Post Hill I think

> manoeuvrability is more important than weight

Buses on the 42 route are 9.3m long

TfL run some double deckers that are 9.9m (e.g. route 176)

60cm difference.

10cm width difference.

Info here

http://www.londonbusroutes.net/details.htm

[slarti b]

Lowlander,

Many thanks for the link, I will check this out in more detail at home. Lots of nice info, I had no idea the "P" of P4 stood for Peckham!

[Lowlander]

slarti b Wrote:

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> Lowlander,

> Many thanks for the link, I will check this out in

> more detail at home. Lots of nice info, I had no

> idea the "P" of P4 stood for Peckham!

Thanks, I came across it by accident looking for bus times many years ago. Is much better than TfL's site, including as you say all the information I was too scared to ask for.

[Roundabout]

From 1st October route 42 is extended from Sunray Avenue to East Dulwich Sainsbury's

[Bic Basher]

Roundabout Wrote:

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> From 1st October route 42 is extended from Sunray

> Avenue to East Dulwich Sainsbury's

Extended, but no longer serving Sunray Avenue, running along both sides of Red Post Hill instead.