Bouncers Security. On Lordship Lane

[DulwichFox]

Bouncers Security. On Lordship Lane.

How things have changed.

Security Neeeded:-

EDT Yes

Black Cherry Yes ?

The Bishop Yes

BoHo Yes

Adventure Bar Yes

Palmerston No Not needed

Liquorish Yes

The Plough No

Go Back 5 years and there would of been no Bouncers to be seen.

[pablogrande]

I thought it was part of the late licencing requirement for some premises?

[SeanMacGabhann]

And that just ain't true either ..

[KalamityKel]

Exactly. 5 years is not that long ago... try 20 ;-)

[DJKillaQueen]

Yes it is part of licensing. Most late bar licences require door star after a certain hour (usually 10pm).

[EDOliver]

On this same(ish) topic, anyone else noticed that the clientle in the Bishop has been going down recently? Never been out in ED and felt threatened in any way but seems like there's a few rough geezers/gobby chavs now calling The Bish their own.

Or maybe I'm just getting old!

[kristymac1]

Hmm definitely bouncers on the door of the Plough 10(ish) years ago. Quite a diffierent place to that which we love now............

[Jeremy]

UnderhillOliver Wrote:

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> anyone else noticed that the clientle in the Bishop has been going down recently?

On Friday/Saturday, yes. But not just the Bishop, it's the whole "strip".

[felt-tip]

i was in the bishop a couple of weeks ago on a saturday night and there were some right mardy hard bstards in there. i hot footed it over to G&B sharpish thank you very much

[thebishop]

Morning all,

I would like to thank UnderhillOliver and felt-tip for their observations.

DJKillaQueen is completely right with her comments regarding the necessity to have security personnel as a part of our licensing.

During these past 5 and a half years, we have worked extremely dilligently to try and eradicate certain 'groups' that have been mentioned already on this thread, and on the most part, with relative success. I can assure you that I take these concerns very seriously, shall be monitoring this situation very closely.

The security staff have a pretty small brief with regards to their responsibilities, so there is absolutely no excuse for standards being dropped.

If anybody else has any further concerns, please feel free to contact me.

Many thanks, Neil

[Ridgley]

No UnderhillOliver you are, right there are rough geezers/gobby chavs everywhere:)

[jim_the_chin]

On my very first evening out in lordship lane I saw a man being punched out of the doors of the foresters by a lady companion. rough geezers indeed.

[Claire35]

No way? I don't recall the area being like this, but then I only moved in 5 years ago...I must admit I don't go out in the evening round here any more. Last time I did walk down Lordship Lane on a Friday/ Sat night I couldn't help noting how it seemed a bit boozy, rough and ready. Not that I mind boozing...be nice to have a good old-fashioned, local pub with good beers etc etc

For that reason I much prefer the Pheonix and the Cambria...but Lordship Lane would be nearer.

[dubluke]

cmon everybody, lets not be ridiculous, lordship lane pubs are hardly rough boozers

[SeanMacGabhann]

They aren?t rough boozers in the old sense of what that meant, and pretty much all of them are fine for most of the week

But what happens on a Friday or Saturday night is becoming more like what happens across the UK (and Ireland, and in increasing numbers of towns in Europe) in town centres where bars are grouped together ? they aren?t rough boozers themselves but there is a collective gathering of people for whom getting smashed is the whole purpose of the evening. That can happen anywhere and has happened to many people on here. But when a tipping-point in numbers of people is reached it can change the atmosphere of a place ? and that?s what we have on LL for a few hours each weekend

[dubluke]

SeanMacGabhann Wrote:

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> They aren?t rough boozers in the old sense of what

> that meant, and pretty much all of them are fine

> for most of the week

>

> But what happens on a Friday or Saturday night is

> becoming more like what happens across the UK (and

> Ireland, and in increasing numbers of towns in

> Europe) in town centres where bars are grouped

> together ? they aren?t rough boozers themselves

> but there is a collective gathering of people for

> whom getting smashed is the whole purpose of the

> evening. That can happen anywhere and has happened

> to many people on here. But when a tipping-point

> in numbers of people is reached it can change the

> atmosphere of a place ? and that?s what we have on

> LL for a few hours each weekend

Fair enough I have felt that change in other places but honestly have never felt a bad atmosphere caused by what you say in any pub in east dulwich

[SeanMacGabhann]

I?d agree with you too ? if I?m inside drinking then things never feel bad. I just notice it on the streets.. esp the corner of Payless as people hit the cold air and pick up ?supplies? or people unable to digest that late night kebab

For clarity, I'm not knocking any pubs at all here. Just observing the atmos come closing time on the Lane

[dubluke]

SeanMacGabhann Wrote:

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> I?d agree with you too ? if I?m inside drinking

> then things never feel bad. I just notice it on

> the streets.. esp the corner of Payless as people

> hit the cold air and pick up ?supplies? or people

> unable to digest that late night kebab

>

> For clarity, I'm not knocking any pubs at all

> here. Just observing the atmos come closing time

> on the Lane

Aye fair enough I guess I have seen a bit of argy attitude after chuck out time, what you say about the kebab is the worst part for me, often find myself dodging pavement vomit piles on the way into work on saturday morning...

[SeanMacGabhann]

On the other hand, if I head up to the Lane early on a Sunday morning for food, I quite like the hungover air which hangs around the place

And spotting the obvious stopouts making their way home is oddly comforting too

[Claire35]

It's the requirement for bouncers that bothers me. No harm getting drunk of a weekend, but not to the extent that we need bouncers to protect people from themselves. Ah well...I'll admit middle age and go somewhere else...ha ha

[dubluke]

Claire35 Wrote:

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> It's the requirement for bouncers that bothers me.

> No harm getting drunk of a weekend, but not to the

> extent that we need bouncers to protect people

> from themselves. Ah well...I'll admit middle age

> and go somewhere else...ha ha

As some have already said, bouncers are a legal requirement of many licenses for pretty much all bars, even if they are not entirely necessary, there are plenty of bars on the lane that don't have poeple who need "protecting from themselves" as customers, but still have bouncers as they are required ot in order to retain their licenses.

[Claire35]

Ah, I hadn't noted that it was a legal requirement. Thanks

[KalamityKel]

Its not a legal requirement only a requirement in place on their license. A council could impose this requirement on the establishment or no license is issued = establishment not able to trade.

[ST&NLY]

I wish I had bouncers outside my house in the early hours of Saturday and Sunday morning. To stop the punters of Lordship Lane pissing and vomiting outside my house. Vermine.

[Keef]

rough geezers/gobby chavs now calling The Bish their own

To be fair, it would be harsh to bar someone simply because they weren't "like" you. What have you seen these people doing?