Its gonna be President Trump ..!!! ??

[uncleglen]

I was reading this last night

https://www.edge.org/response-detail/10536

[Jenny1]

Surely most of this is attributable to the financial crash in 2007-8. There was always a risk after that of a 1930s style resurgence of extremism and 'populism'. In order to avoid it you'd have needed diligent government focusing fully on social equality - we certainly didn't get that in this country.

[keano77]

Jenny1 Wrote:

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> Surely most of this is attributable to the

> financial crash in 2007-8. There was always a risk

> after that of a 1930s style resurgence of

> extremism and 'populism'. In order to avoid it

> you'd have needed diligent government focusing

> fully on social equality - we certainly didn't get

> that in this country.

I tend to agree with you Jenny. The danger now is that Trump will take America into isolationism which I understand made the Great Crash of the 1930s so much worse.

[Jenny1]

I think you're right keano77. US isolationism could plunge us all into a much worse economic situation.

[Sue]

O.M.G.

[Robert Poste's Child]

There is a frightening tradition of using war to distract people from problems at home and unite them by identifying a common enemy. America also used the first three years of WW2 to pull themselves out of the great depression economically. As Trump's - successful - campaign so far has been based on hatred, this is looking all too likely as his approach to foreign policy.

[Jules-and-Boo]

Hilary's also pro war - particularly pro "Sell arms to Israel and destroy Iran"

She's got a damning history - she just evades responsibility for it.

Trump - future is uncertain, but Russia doesn't hate him as much as Hilary

[mikeb]

@ Uncleglen - that article is vacuous - it makes the assertion claims that there is / could be a better system than democracy but provides no reason for thinking that there might be, only that the current system has some bad features.

He says that democracy is the "least-bad system of government". The more accurate and more perceptive quote is Churchill:

"Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."

ie we keep coming back to democracy despite its flaws because the alternatives that have been tried have been much worse: aristocracy, autocracy, communism, anarchy, ecclesiastical, Maoism, etc.

[Jenny1]

I agree Robert Poste's Child. Our only hope is that Republican Senators and Congressmen are able and willing to put some kind of brake on him.

[Jah Lush]

*Checks date* 9/11.

[Jeremy]

Jah Lush Wrote:

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> *Checks date* 9/11.

Spooky

[Jah Lush]

[rendelharris]

Jules-and-Boo Wrote:

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> Hilary's also pro war - particularly pro "Sell

> arms to Israel and destroy Iran"

>

> She's got a damning history - she just evades

> responsibility for it.

>

> Trump - future is uncertain, but Russia doesn't

> hate him as much as Hilary

Indeed, Hillary was hardly a dove, but Trump has stated he has no problem with first use of nuclear weapons, particularly against ISIS (he didn't explain how you nuke an amorphous terrorist organisation), he wouldn't rule out using a nuclear first strike in Europe (because "it's a big place") and he's happy for Japan, South Korea and Saudi Arabia to become nuclear powers. This is a whole new level of lunacy we've got right now.

[keano77]

It's not all negative. Share prices for building materials have gone up and bricklayers must be rubbing their hands :)

[JohnL]

keano77 Wrote:

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> Once again the experts were wrong. The polls were

> wrong. The markets were wrong.

>

> Brexit plus plus plus. Something is happening in

> the Anglo-Saxon world.

A cold wind is whipping up in the anglosphere.

Watch the supreme court in the US become more conservative (Trump nominates now),

Maybe, just maybe he'll get in a decent team (Farage has applied so maybe not)

[teddyboy23]

Just a thought .the polls said labour would win the last election.wrong . Referemdem remain would win. Wrong.us Clinton would win .wrong if government called snap general election labour would be crushed ? And worse of all ed balls .can't win strictly?

[malumbu]

Jenny1 Wrote:

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> Anyone else googling 'What does it take to impeach

> a President of the United States?' ?

I for one am pleased as it has helped me rediscover some great protest music. I am clearly not pleased about the impact on world economic and political stability, those in Aleppo, equal rights (so much that we have changed in my lifetime).

But here's a great one that can be equally applied should the result have gone the other way. This is class, and on a bizarre morning has to bring some smiles to dumbfounded faces.

[uncleglen]

mikeb- it was just a 'Dangerous Idea' being expressed. I thought he had an interesting perspective- especially as he wrote it in 2006

[Jah Lush]

Bernie Sanders was cheated out of the running by Clinton and her entourage who manipulated the DMC in order to secure Clinton as the candidate. A fair percentage of those that were going to vote Sanders obviously didn't vote for Clinton due to this, hence Trump Trumped.

[rendelharris]

Jah Lush Wrote:

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> Bernie Sanders was cheated out of the running by

> Clinton and her entourage who manipulated the DMC

> in order to secure Clinton as the candidate. A

> fair percentage of those that were going to vote

> Sanders obviously didn't vote for Clinton due to

> this, hence Trump Trumped.

Yes - and even, surprisingly, a large number of Sanders voters may have voted Trump: when Sanders lost out surveys showed a significant percentage of blue collar workers had Trump as their second choice, seeing them as the only two non "Washington elite" candidates, no matter what party.

[Jenny1]

I suspect Sanders couldn't have won though. He'd have been too leftwing for most Americans.

[Jah Lush]

Let's hope he is a one-term president- if he doesn't get impeached. If Bernie was on the ballot he would have won. He always polled higher against Trump than Clinton. She never did.

[Jenny1]

One term - or less - would be good. I'm sceptical that Sanders could have done it - but I guess we'll never know.

[miga]

Wonder if Clinton and Podesta are regretting their early 'Pied Piper' strategy of supporting the most conservative candidates possible (as leaked earlier in the campaign). Wonder if Clinton is regretting her long standing association with "second daughter" Huma Abedin.

[Mick Mac]

Not as important as wider issue, but at least the predicted meltdown in the financial markets hasn't happened (US/UK anyway - the Dow Jones and FTSE are up).