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tutorse22 Wrote:

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>

>

> - If you know the person's provenance, in this

> case Syria, it would be more respectful and

> accurate to call him "Syrian", or, "Syrian chap"

> if you must -- although I draw your attention to

> the "dated" in the OED definition, and ask you to

> consider that the colloquial use of this word in

> 2016 is different to what it was long ago.

>

> - If you know the person's provenance -- whether

> it be Syrian, French, Nigerian, Australian, or

> wherever - and continue to call him an "immigrant

> chap", ask yourself why are not calling him or her

> by his/her nationality.

>

> - Think of another person who is an immigrant.

> Think, perhaps, of a friend who has emigrated to

> Australia for the good weather. Would you call him

> an "immigrant chap"? If not, why not? What about a

> white French guy working in Goldman Sachs in New

> York. Is he an "immigrant chap"? If not, why not?



Exactly. Well said.

red devil Wrote:

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> I wonder if the Super Moon has brought out the

> Lupine among us...



It certainly seems to have brought out at least one rather nasty person - and I don't mean Jah Lush, who is a very good chap, to use a dated expression .......


ETA: Although said person seems to be kind to squirrels, or at least doesn't want them to die in cruel and unnatural ways ....


http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?20,1747517,1747517#msg-1747517

Suffer-not Wrote:

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> Jah Lush Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Suffer-not Wrote:

> >

> --------------------------------------------------

>

> > -----

> >

> > > It's a sign of the times though that appears

> > every

> > > barber in ED is from foreign shores and the

> > > turnover of staff is quite high. Before

> anyone

> > > accuses me of xenophobia let me say that I am

> > > pleased to say that I now go to an immigrant

> > chap

> > > who does exactly what I want so much so that

> I

> > > have got back into the habit of tipping

> again!

> >

> > WTF is this shit? Well now you mention it. You

> > doing them a favour by turning up for a

> haircut?

> > You want to try thinking a little bit more

> before

> > you post this kind of crap if you don't want

> come

> > across as a Daily Mail/Express/Sun reading

> > xenophobe.

> >

>

> Well Jah Lush, your comments certainly illustrate

> two things:-

>

> 1. You are a reactionary foul-mouthed left-wing

> bigot. And a tosspot - to use one of your

> favourite put-downs.

> 2. Your standard of posts has not improved much

> since you posted this recently ...

>

> .......""Utter fecking dogshit for morons. It was

> a pathetic excuse for comedy 40 years ago. All

> these remakes are for feeble minded old

> dingbats."".......

>

> As you seem to have a problem and lots of spare

> time, I suggest you invest in one of these...

>

> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Swear-word-coloring-book-

> Relaxation/dp/1522921354


You've been caught out. It's all on the thread for everyone to see. No use you calling me names or dragging up an old comments of mine that have absolutely no relevance here to the subject matter. Talk about having time on your hands. The only problem I have is with xenophobic, racist little bigots like you. I'd suggest you go and crawl back into the nasty little hole you crawled out off and stay there... old chap.

tutorse22 Wrote:

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> @Suffer-not I have not been rude to you and I

> would ask you please not to be rude to me either.


My apologies.


> I draw your attention to

> the "dated" in the OED definition, and ask you to

> consider that the colloquial use of this word in

> 2016 is different to what it was long ago.

>

I am not aware that it has changed meaning but then I'm in my mid 70's so would appreciate you enlightening me to what meaning it has now. I mean that sincerely.

Borky Wrote:

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> http://peckhampeculiar.tumblr.com/post/10778144843

> 9/cutting-humour

>

> Steve has been in Peckham for half a century now.

> I am surprised that no one has mentioned this

> place.


I kind of mentioned it but haven't been in there for years and had forgotten his name. His dad probably cut my hair. I remember going there when I was a kid. My dad had an office on Rye Lane at the time. Amazed they're still there.

Jah Lush Wrote:



> No use you calling me names or

> dragging up an old comments of mine that have

> absolutely no relevance here to the subject

> matter. Talk about having time on your hands. The

> only problem I have is with xenophobic, racist

> little bigots like you. I'd suggest you go and

> crawl back into the nasty little hole you crawled

> out off and stay there... old chap.


At least you have spared us the profanity this time. Also if the recommended book is to pricey for you, I have found several other alternatives, enjoy..


http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2060353.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.XSwearing+Word+adult+Colouring+Book.TRS0&_nkw=Swearing+Word+adult+Colouring+Book&_sacat=0


Plenty to choose from there. But then, why not buy them all and become a totally different person?

Jah Lush Wrote:

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>

> Just carry on making a tit of yourself. I've other

> things to do. Byeeeeeeeeee!


Me thinks Jah Lush is a typical bully. Lots of swearing, posturing and bravado. But like all bullies he quits when he gets a real challenge.

???? Wrote:

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> red devil Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > I wonder if the Super Moon has brought out the

> > Lupine among us...

>

>

> ..... it's been a while :)



Ah. A particular Lupine. Duh.

PollyGlot Wrote:

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> Jah Lush Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

>

> >

> > Just carry on making a tit of yourself. I've

> other

> > things to do. Byeeeeeeeeee!

>

> Me thinks Jah Lush is a typical bully. Lots of

> swearing, posturing and bravado. But like all

> bullies he quits when he gets a real challenge.




Strange "first post", PollyGlot.

Why is it that when someone starts off a perfectly calm and useful thread, others feel the need to highjack it and exchange abuses? The OP was telling us about an unpleasant experience at the barber's but the nastiness which has followed has totally bemused me.

PollyGlot Wrote:

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> Jah Lush Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

>

> >

> > Just carry on making a tit of yourself. I've

> other

> > things to do. Byeeeeeeeeee!

>

> Me thinks Jah Lush is a typical bully. Lots of

> swearing, posturing and bravado. But like all

> bullies he quits when he gets a real challenge.


*Waves at PollyGlot*

PollyGlot Wrote:

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> Me thinks Jah Lush is a typical bully. Lots of

> swearing, posturing and bravado. But like all

> bullies he quits when he gets a real challenge.


Oh yeah, that "suffer-not" guy is a REAL challenge. Probably shouldn't even bother trying to engage such a towering intellect.

For goodness sake folks- calm down.


There's nothing in suffernots post that is racist or bigoted. It was all said in a friendly non-offensive manner.


It seems the term 'immigrant chap' has caused some folks to lose their shit.


Where's the difference in that or calling someone a black chap in an African Barbers (you don't need to specify whether he was from Kenya, or Nigeria or even Africa even if you did know his nationality)?


Are we also not allowed to call people tourists now too? Do we have to specify their nationality of known?

The opening poster raised a serious issue that several people were able to relate to. I would never have known others felt uncomfortable at Mem's the way I did unless he had posted because I don't know enough people locally to have chats about the merits of different barbers. That's one of the good things about this forum.


I hope the thread has warned people to avoid the place - or given them the courage to be assertive about demanding more respect as customers.


It's a real shame it got hijacked by the other stuff. (and no, referring to someone by their immigrant status is not very cool.)

titch juicy Wrote:

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> It seems the term 'immigrant chap' has caused some

> folks to lose their shit.


The problem is that 'immigrant', along with 'refugee', is becoming a derogatory term, even in the playground it's become an insult. As with anything it's all about context, but I suspect the poster who used that term knew exactly what they were writing...

tutorse22 Wrote:

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> @Suffer-not I have not been rude to you and I

> would ask you please not to be rude to me either.

> I do not expect to change your mind in a brief

> exchange on an internet forum, but I'm still going

> to put this out there for whatever small benefit

> it may be.

>

> - If you know the person's provenance, in this

> case Syria, it would be more respectful and

> accurate to call him "Syrian", or, "Syrian chap"

> if you must -- although I draw your attention to

> the "dated" in the OED definition, and ask you to

> consider that the colloquial use of this word in

> 2016 is different to what it was long ago.

>

> - If you know the person's provenance -- whether

> it be Syrian, French, Nigerian, Australian, or

> wherever - and continue to call him an "immigrant

> chap", ask yourself why are not calling him or her

> by his/her nationality.

>

> - Think of another person who is an immigrant.

> Think, perhaps, of a friend who has emigrated to

> Australia for the good weather. Would you call him

> an "immigrant chap"? If not, why not? What about a

> white French guy working in Goldman Sachs in New

> York. Is he an "immigrant chap"? If not, why not?


Well said.

The "Elephant" in the Barbers


Very sad I had a similar experience at a Barbers in Crystal Palace


Difficult not to associate the comments and attitude with certain factors (can't mention them in public for fear of being labeled and branded).


Oh well I'll be dead in 40 - 60 years between now and then it's going to be an interesting ride change is happening on a monthly basis Trump Brexit it's awesome like a real life soap opera only more bizarre .

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