where do you buy really organic fruits and veggies?

[Asteroidneenee]

Hi all!

I was shopping between SMBS and the Organic Village when i discovered yesterday that most of their products aren't organic.

I asked them and SMBS told me only the green labelled food are organic so all the beautiful veg outside are not. Same for Organic Village, half of the veg and fruits aren't organic... Anyway i was started to be a bit annoyed by Organic village they are super nice but a shop that doesn't put price on their veg it's annoying. I like to know the price of things.

I was mislead by the name and what is claimed on their shop, in France for example you can't call yourself organic or have it written ...if you are not.

So I have been paying a lot of money for same toxicity as everywhere else... return to square one.

I have check out the delivery option but i don't by that much of food and I would end up wasting food and money.

Where do you shop organic fruits and veg? local (UK)? for a correct price ?

For meat I go to William Rose, some aren't organic but they are all free range and certified without antibiotics and stuff in them. What do you think?

thanks

[Phlox]

Lidl do a range of organic vegetables, not a huge range though. I buy their white onions.

[sanity girl]

Try Local Greens https://www.localgreens.org.uk/

or Farmdrop https://www.farmdrop.com/#5H9ShKx7IYq6xjiD.97

[Dulwich Born And Bred]

Seconded Farmdrop they are brilliant . Failing that I get an Ocado grocery delivery and they have a huge organic selection. Isn't Franklin's Farm Shop organic too ?

[Jenny1]

'Thirded' for Farmdrop. Very good produce and very good prices.

[Asteroidneenee]

thanks guys but farmdrop is still delivery so you need a minimum order to have something at a right price ... and it's only once a week...

[remoaner]

No minimum spend with Farmdrop. They now deliver seven days a week!

My cousin actually set the company up. Am biased but think it's brilliant too. Tomatoes that actually taste of tomatoes...and quite a lot of their stuff is cheaper than Sainsburies. There's a ?20 discount on their website at the moment for a first order.

[TheCat]

Ah...organic farming..taking land that would feed thousands, and using it to feed dozens......

[Asteroidneenee]

Yes trying to get better quality food what a stupid idea... Where's my mind?

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[TheArtfulDogger]

Have you visited the organic shop just as you go into Peckham ? On the corner near the sewing machine shop

[TheCat]

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I wasn't challenging your right to desire it, just alluding to actual facts, that organic farming is more damaging to our environment and uses significantly more of our scarce resources to produce. If you prefer organic food, good for you, but own the fact that you desire something that's damaging the world moreso than alternatives.

I drive a V8 car. It's more pollutant than riding my bicycle. But I prefer driving my V8....

[ruffers]

Sainsburys

[Earl Aelfheah]

Neila Wrote:

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Is it better quality? It's produced without the use of pesticides, so it's probably better for the environment - but I'm always a little dubious about health benefit / quality claims for organic. I often wonder whether this is simply an assumption that people make based on the price.

[DaveR]

"Is it better quality? It's produced without the use of pesticides, so it's probably better for the environment - but I'm always a little dubious about health benefit / quality claims for organic. I often wonder whether this is simply an assumption that people make based on the price"

The scientific consensus on organic food seems to be:

no evidence of health or nutritional benefits

lower pesticide residues, but no evidence that permitted pesticide residues in non-organic harmful to health

clear evidence of greater land use for the same yield so to that extent environmentally unfriendly.

I've seen surveys claiming organic food tastes better, but the obvious question is better than what? There's lots of high quality produce that is not organic. Also, it's not correct that organic rules prohibit pesticide use. The Soil Association are pretty coy about it, but there are permitted pesticides and herbicides.

[TE44]

http://sustainablepulse.com/2016/10/12/pesticide-experts-release-shocking-review-of-global-glyphosate-damage/#.WJtEckZFDqA

There are have been so many lawsuits against these

Chemical companies, after poisoning, bullying and no respect for life.

[Asteroidneenee]

Hi everyone thanks for your replies I will check the peckham shop and farmdrop again !

[TE44]

https://m.facebook.com/FaresharesCoOp/?locale2=en_GB

Fairshares on the pullens is a great place, haven't

been for a few yrs but looks like its still

Running. Used to do mostly organic.

[Asteroidneenee]

amazing thanks !

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[Earl Aelfheah]

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So I have no issue with eating organic because of biodiversity arguments, or as a kind of boycott of pesticide companies if you believe their unethical in their business practices (although I would question the effectiveness of such a proxy boycott). But the claim above was that organic is 'better quality' something one hears a lot. I think that's a highly dubious claim.

[TE44]

https://www.gdx.net/product/chlorinated-pesticides-test-serum

Rahrahrah I dont lnow how many tests have been

Done looking at the difference, oops my lifts coming, sorry.

[Asteroidneenee]

Hey guys I am sorry but can you bring your discussion in private please? The subject wasn't to debate about organic food but to help find places where to buy them....

Would be very nice of you to respect the topic please.

[Earl Aelfheah]

To be fair Neila, my post was a direct response to your statement that organic food is better quality food, so just part of a conversation. This is a discussion forum, not Google.

Anyway, I'll leave it there as you clearly aren't look for a dialogue.

[bodsier]

A decent organic shop in the area is needed. Supermarkets don't sell much of a range, nor does SMB, due to the fact that it's too small. A big independent organic that sells stuff from Big tubs which would cut prices due to less packaging would be perfect. Everything from a tub, bring your own recycled bag, done. ANYONE?

[bodsier]

By the way that's not an invitation for abuse, just a suggestion in case anyone is in a position to take it on?