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One Who Does

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A quick check shows that JFK actually got it right. Here is the excerpt from Wiki...


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There is a widespread misconception, but only outside of German-speaking countries, that Kennedy made an embarrassing mistake by saying Ich bin ein Berliner. By not leaving out the indefinite article "ein," he supposedly changed the meaning of the sentence from the intended "I am a citizen of Berlin" to "I am a Berliner" (a Berliner being a type of German pastry, similar to a jelly doughnut).


The indefinite article is frequently[10] omitted in German when speaking of an individual's profession or residence but is in any case used when speaking in a figurative sense. Since the President was not literally from Berlin but declaring his solidarity with its citizens, "Ich bin ein Berliner" was the only way to express what he wanted to say.[11][12]


Furthermore, although the word "Berliner"[9][13] is used for a jelly doughnut in the north, west and southwest of Germany, it is not used in Berlin itself or the surrounding region, where the usual word is "Pfannkuchen."


A further part of the misconception is that the audience to his speech laughed at his supposed error. They instead cheered and applauded both times the phrase was used. They laughed and cheered a few seconds after the first use of the phrase, only when the president made an intentional joke. Poking fun at his own pronunciation of the phrase, he said, "I appreciate my interpreter translating my German!"

Robert Poste's Child

Robert Poste's Child

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According to R4 exit polls suggest Cons losing majority though still with largest number of seats, and distribution of seats making it difficult to see how a coalition could be formed. Not sure where that would leave us.


That said, my memory of the last election and the Brexit referendum is that the final result was the opposite of how it looked at this stage, so who knows.

Lordship 516

Lordship 516

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With Sinn F?in abstaining & the Speaker + assistants not voting then the practical majority is 321


650 - (6+3) = 641


641/2 = 320.5 [321] - will still be a very close call but Thearse May will be dumperd....


YouGov model of poll is closest to the Exit Poll


Conserv 302

Labour 269

LibDem 12

SNP 44 - got Scotland wrong (?)

jaywalker

jaywalker

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Highly likely Vince Cable will be new PM of centre ground. That is my prediction (although I would prefer Clarke, or Clegg). Then 'Brexit' will happen only in name - single market and customs unions and free-movement and everything else of value will be preserved.


Oh happy day.

red devil

red devil

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Either way Rendel, May's position is looking increasingly untenable*. She hasn't got the so-called mandate she wanted for Brexit negotiations, the supposed reason the election was called in the first place. For someone who didn't want May or Corbyn to win this is probably the perfect result, plus the possibility of Brexit being overturned...


*Election Bingo freebie

rendelharris

rendelharris

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red devil Wrote:

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> I don't look at the Daily Heil these days, can

> anyone report on how the frothingatthemouthometer

> is looking just now?...


Current headline "MAY MELTDOWN?" Looks like even they're getting worried...

red devil

red devil

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Green Goose Wrote:

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> I reckon you will lose your bet. It will be much

> closer to, if not, a hung parliament. The young

> (naive & idealistic) voters are highly motivated

> this time and will be a major factor.


Goosey calling it right...

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