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Oxford University student who stabbed her lover in a drink & drug fuelled row could be spared jail


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No Mark I believe in looking fairly individually at criminal cases.I also believe in trying to understand the bigger picture eg council estate jobless convictee goes to prison, lived with mother who works but is recieving benefits as wages low. She is then hit with bedroom tax, zero hour contract couple of months of less work, evicted before her son gets out. That news wont hit the news though. FYI Southwark council from 2015-2016 did not rehouse anyone evicted.

As I have said from the beginning, we do not know the injury to her boyfriend never the less it was

a violent act.

I think her case should be looked at individually but It has also been reported in the Telegraph she is not available to comment as she is having a break in Barbados. Whether this is true, if not, then whoever published it should be answerable

to explain where he got that news.

Read the sentencing guidelines: http://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/Assault_definitive_guideline_-_Crown_Court.pdf


First offence, minor injury, lack of premeditation, remorse, good character, steps taken to address addiction, isolated incident, pled guilty at first opportunity to avoid expense and victim's trauma at trial... there are objective reasons why she is a candidate not to be imprisoned. We also don't know about the context of the offence. On the other hand, I don't see a lot of good reasons to imprison her: I'm not going to be any safer if she's in prison and I'm going to have to pay for it.

IlonaM Wrote:

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> No, he was given stitches at the scene.

>

> Doesn't change offence.



No - but it does add a bit more flavour to the judgement. I did wonder about how much damage would be done with a breadknife.

Jules-and-Boo Wrote:

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> moot point, as I was not involved in making

> decisions about a drug addict with a propensity to

> uncontrolled violence having a future as a heart

> surgeon



Wow, you've never struck me as a Daily Mail type, until this post.


What possible good would a jail term do?


How will this affect her ability to be a good hear surgeon?


I have a scar on my face from a university girlfriend. I could probably have had her done for assault. She's now a perfectly respectable mother of 2 working in the NHS. Sometimes we do stupid shit when we're young.

Mick Mac Wrote:

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> IlonaM Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > No, he was given stitches at the scene.

> >

> > Doesn't change offence.

>

>

> No - but it does add a bit more flavour to the

> judgement. I did wonder about how much damage

> would be done with a breadknife.



That's what the sentencing guidelines are for.

You're not suggesting anyone reads anything more than the headline and the first two sentences of the Daily Mail's article, are you? But I have so many strong opinions already!!!

In answer to your question, Otta, drugs make people unstable. A surgeon would be expected to be stable and predictable.


Her choices of taking drugs and getting into such a state she becomes extremely violent does not bode well.


Her values are obviously shot. Hardly a reputable, reliable, respectable person.

For God's sake, she's a stupid kid. You may well have been fully mature and together when you were a student. You'd be the only one I'd ever heard of.


I very much doubt she'd be snorting coke before going in to theatre when she qualifies.


So judgemental J&B, I'm genuinely quite surprised.

Otta I'm sort of between two camps in a way on this, but basically I'm an advocate for "if you know the law, you know the score" when it comes to committing acts of violence.

Like I said previously, the more you have going for you the more you may want to be careful about destroying what you have.

I'm not a fan of 'promising career' being the reason for leniency, but perhaps, at a push, more so on the age angle being a factor to be considered.

Otta Wrote:

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> For God's sake, she's a stupid kid. You may well

> have been fully mature and together when you were

> a student. You'd be the only one I'd ever heard

> of.

>

> I very much doubt she'd be snorting coke before

> going in to theatre when she qualifies.

>

> So judgemental J&B, I'm genuinely quite surprised.



I was a really stupid kid at uni. I took drugs and drank too much and didn't go to enough lectures. i definitely wasn't fully mature.


I didn't stab anyone though.

Otta Wrote:

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> For God's sake, she's a stupid kid. You may well

> have been fully mature and together when you were

> a student. You'd be the only one I'd ever heard

> of.

>

> I very much doubt she'd be snorting coke before

> going in to theatre when she qualifies.

>

> So judgemental J&B, I'm genuinely quite surprised.


Otta There's having a little dabble with drugs/drink where it's confined to self abusive,

Excepting people who care and worry for you. But it's a different level when your dabbling becomes a habit where you are using it as mitigating evidence for physically injuring someone.I'm with j&b I

would not want her operating on me or my family unless given details of her past and assured she had recovered. And I would want it from her. As for the paediatrition doctor that was jailed recently for sex offences no I certainly wouldn't want him

near my family.

TE44 Wrote:

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> I'm with j&b I would not want her operating on me or my family

> unless given details of her past and assured she

> had recovered.




Well then I hope that neither you or your family ever find yourself in the position of needing heart surgery form her, because I very much doubt the NHS would provide you with the reassurance you want. And nor should they. All doctors will have DBS checks, same as any teacher or social worker (or anyone working with children and vulnerable people). If they have a clear DBS, then we should be satisfied.


I don't know all the details, but basically she cut his leg. And apparently had been abused bu a previous boyfriend. We don't know how seriously (or not) that may have been.


I am not for a second excusing her behaviour, it's clearly fucked up. BUT she hasn't been let off, she'd on a very strict warning, and if she messes up again she'll be punished.


But why on earth would we waste a talent and ruin her life if it was a one off?


I think most of this is just London Liberals not liking a white girl from Oxford being let off.

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