Man stabbed to death near East Dulwich station

[zeban]

Extremely well said legalbeagle

[zeban]

Extremely well said legalbeagle

[DJKillaQueen]

I don't think anyone would disagree with any of that LB, but at the same time....when something so awful happens so close to home it is understandable that there will be a wide range of reaction and discussion.

My view is that, with the exception of the one or two obviously shocking statements, that we should also respect that not everyone is reflective. Some people are equally concerned that if anything can be done to prevent such an awful thing again that it should be done...and that unfortunately requires talking a hard look at what's happened and asking necessary if sometimes painful questions. But it must absolutely be done respectfully and responsibly.

[Keef]

Hislordshiplane is probably a troll, he sent me a PM, saying something along the lines of "at least I can afford the choice", which was referring to living in sevenoaks.

How anyone can pick a thread like this to wind people up, is beyond me. If he's not a troll, he's just sad.

[Tylertoes]

There was a large party at the hamlet football club, a crowd got kicked out for rowdy behaviour & he got stabbed repeatedly & died & one was also got shot but survived....all gang related....live by the sword die by the sword !

[edcam]

This thread is starting to remind me of that utterly tasteless one about Madeleine McCann. None of this speculation is helping anyone.

[louisiana]

Keef Wrote:

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> Hislordshiplane is probably a troll, he sent me a

> PM, saying something along the lines of "at least

> I can afford the choice", which was referring to

> living in sevenoaks.

>

> How anyone can pick a thread like this to wind

> people up, is beyond me. If he's not a troll, he's

> just sad.

He sent me a PM too which I suspect is along the same lines but I can't be bothered to read it.

[hislordshiplane]

Dear Keef and Louise, despite numerous people asking you to stop using this to vent your individual feelings to those posting thread you continue, even publishing private messages sent to you - if you dont like them then delete them.

I thought this thread was to air feelings regading events, I aired mine, and some agreed some did not. If I am worng educate me or ask me to explain my reasons - dont call me a 'troll' I have a right to speak my feelings!! I have in addition put some ideas in what a community/government needs to do.

So please grow up, and have respect. I can see were this kids get there anger from!

[Sue]

edcam Wrote:

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> This thread is starting to remind me of that

> utterly tasteless one about Madeleine McCann.

> None of this speculation is helping anyone.

xxxxxx

Please don't compare the two threads.

I started the Madeleine McCann thread in order to state facts which the British press has ignored. Other posters chose to ignore those facts also and instead have a go at me for having the temerity to suggest that all is not always what it seems.

Some posters on this thread have made vile, irrelevant, ill-timed and/or racist comments when one of the few known facts is that a young man is dead in tragic circumstances. His friends and relatives must be absolutely distraught.

And if anyone wants to start having a go again about the other thread, please don't send this thread further off track, please PM me.

[SeanMacGabhann]

I have just rempved 4 or 5 posts - apologies to all concerned as some points were valid but they will just prolong the back and forth of unrelated posts - if anyone has a beef, PM each other rather than having it out on THIS thread. Likewise, and other non relevant posts hereon in will be removed too

[Sue]

edcam's post is not relevant either, so why has that not been removed?

[breadcrum45]

Just seen some news:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-12355878

[rebwec01]

15 years old?? WTF?

Utterly tragic. RIP.

[rifleman harris]

Tarot

Is it used for Drug dealing? Where do you get this info from?

[McCatllar]

East Dulwich Forum. What I always assumed was a discussion board for local people is obviously being used by the media to fill out stories and that changes my perception of the role of the Forum completely.

Of course, most of what is posted is non-contentious and fulfills an important role in community exchange. When bad things happen, local people should have the freedom to seek information, pass information on and generally express their views as with anything else which gets discussed. However, the Forum isn't restricted to local people and the equivalent of a conversation over the back wall might as well be broadcast on the 9 oclock news.

I can't see a solution to this, but I sure as hell won't say a damn thing about anything remotely sensitive again.

[edcam]

Well the posts that have been quoted are among the more idiotic comments here. It's amazing how insensitive and ignorant many of the comments in this thread are - it reminds me of that unpleasant Madeleine McCann thread which has thankfully gone now.

[puzzled]

a 15-ye-old held over the stabbing and a THIRTTEEN yr old over the shooting! what total mess our society has become. and all this after a birthday party. the parents have many searching questions to answer.

[Tarot]

rifleman harris Wrote:

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> Tarot

> Is it used for Drug dealing? Where do you get this

> info from?

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I found this out when a nephew had a very dubious friend,he boasts of taking many drugs, he was seventeen and told me that they he used to buy his drugs off a bloke in a car park at Hamlet or Sainsburys,the dealer wore a beaded necklace

to be recognised The boy, eventually was so stoned he went to a club and put a bottle in his friends face for chatting up his girlfriend,scarred him for life,He got three years in prison for young offenders.Thats how I know.

[Sue]

edcam Wrote:

-it reminds me of that unpleasant

> Madeleine McCann thread which has thankfully gone

> now.

xxxxxx

That "unpleasant" thread is still in the lounge, and is only "unpleasant" if you find the facts stated in it "unpleasant".

I repeat - facts.

ETA: Although there were certainly a lot of unpleasant comments from people who did not want to accept the facts.

[puzzled]

3 years for such a vile attack sounds ludicrously lenient and almost certainly part of the reason why young people have no fear of going out tooled up

[DJKillaQueen]

What I find quite disturbing too is that in this case the attacker carried out the attack in front of witnesses. It's not just they have no fear of the consequences....it like it doesn't even enter into their heads there will be consequences. To do something so violent and deadly without any kind of second thought. Most people....even the ones that do get into trouble, have some kind of moral compass.

[Keef]

That is how I feel too DJ. They genuinely dont seem to give a fuck.

[peterstorm1985]

I suspect that some young people simply do not realise how easy it is to kill - too many 'know' friends who have been stabbed and lived to tell the tale (and often bear the scars with pride). Angry young men and women, fuelled by drugs and alcohol, will sometimes turn violent; it has always been so. An empty hand will have a limited chance of killing. Put a knife or gun in that hand and we know the result. Unfortunately, as Tarot's very sad post demonstrates, weapons come in many forms, but I do wonder if metal detectors in all major venues might prevent some incidences.

[DJKillaQueen]

I think some door staff do use them and a couple of schools have used them too. Anything that might help has to be worth trying.

[Twirly]

DJKillaQueen Wrote:

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> What I find quite disturbing too is that in this

> case the attacker carried out the attack in front

> of witnesses. It's not just they have no fear of

> the consequences....it like it doesn't even enter

> into their heads there will be consequences. To do

> something so violent and deadly without any kind

> of second thought. Most people....even the ones

> that do get into trouble, have some kind of moral

> compass.

I wonder if these kids do have a moral compass, but just that it?s so different from ours that it we can?t understand it/it?s abhorrent to us. I don?t know much about kids these days, but it strikes me that whatever the row was about, the consequences of not defending the gang was probably uppermost in the kids' minds.

I don?t think that we can do anything about this sort of behaviour until we can understand what motivates it. But I?m not sure how we can get to understand it.