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I?m with you on it having to be cold there FO.


English beer that is traditionally served not-that-cold tastes way better properly chilled. Badger First Gold in the bottle or London Pride in the bottle nicely chilled and best enjoyed along with your choice of whisky.


Or am I just being a philistine?

If it's out a tap then it has to be real ale, bottled real ales tend to let themselves down, apart from the odd superior bottle conditioned ales such as Worthington?s white shield.


For me the 'Don' of bottled beers is Orval Belgian Trappist Ale. At a modest by Belgian standards 6.2% it's hard to find but well worth the effort.


On that subject does anyone remember the now long gone Belgo Zuid on Ladbroke Grove, the bar that served many, many strong beers looked out above the restaurant the floor design of which was an optical illusion which looked as if the restaurant was on a steep slope with the tables about to slip down. All that was exacerbated by strong Belgian beer, I'm afraid I was very, very drunk.

Not had the Dead Dog Fish - from memory but the US hoppy beers can be nice when they're not too OTT. Anchor Steam beer, Sierra Nevada and Three Floyds are the best ones I've tried.


Doing my usual going against the grain thing, I prefer most beers, in particular English bitters, to be just below room temperature. i.e. chill for 10 minutes.


After all this beer talk i'm going to get get a nice Belgian beer out of the fridge :)

Down South, Sierra Nevada - that's the one I was trying to recall. I drank it in a bar in Georgetown where I also recently drank Dead Dogfish Head. It was empty, save for me and the bartender, a former marine with a metal plate in his head. I told him that Stella was called 'wife beater' over here and he laughed. Nero

Marmora Man Wrote:

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> Gales Ales of Hampshire used to make a great Pale

> Ale, still fermenting in the bottle which had a

> cork closure. Not sure if it's still available.



Gales are now owned by Fullers - had a Seafarers Ale on cask recently - it was ok. don't think they do the pale ale anymore.


You can get a few of the rare beers mentioned here from Borough Market - but I think ED could do with one.

I was at the Market Porter last night as the Taste Spain thing was really a bit of a tourist board free-for-all type affair, greed bringing out the worst in people (mostly the americans I'm said to say Roadster) and we couldn't get within 20 metres of the giant Paella.


So popped into the porter, Muttley's Dark for me, jolly nice and my brother had Meantime's lager, which I tried (I love their IPA) and was very impressed by.


On a by the by we went to Feng Sushi afterwards and was disappointed by how much their standards have dropped.


*edited for tarring an onion with a septic brush*

mockney piers Wrote:

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> (mostly the americans I'm said to

> say FO/BR)


I assume this is referring to me, but I'm not American so say what you want!!


Anways, back to beer. mattham, did you mean Alexander Keith's? A very nice beer. Also if you're in Ontario I'm quite partial to Creemore Springs, a nice lager. There's a lot of microbreweries in Canada that turn out good stuff depending on where you are.


Also if you ever near Cologne the K?lsch is great! Especially for those of us who like a colder brew. They serve it in 200 mL glasses so it doesn't get warm before you're done. The refills appear very rapidly, so no worries about running out.

It's ok - that's where I pick up my usuals from but I am talking about some nice Belgian and German beers i.e not Leffe, Hoogaarden or Erdinger. Other areas have such places (Wimbledon, Richmond, Clapham, Borough) , I would have thought ED would have one by now.
  • 10 months later...

At the risk of discussing something that is actually worthwhile today. I am fast becoming a convert to Golden Ales. Not being someone to stick to one type of beer exclusively I often find myself at a loss when deciding what to order. When I can?t decided because of too much or lack of choice I normally default to Guinness but recently I have found myself seeking out golden ales as a summer alternative.


I realise they were originally developed to lure lager drinkers back to ale but I think they have really developed their own character and can be seen a drink unto themselves now.


I?m also probably an advertising whore because both Wells and Fullers have been pushing their product leaders at the moment with Waggle Dance and Honey Dew respectively. (I blame the ginormous Fullers advert on Denmark Hill station)


They?re both very nice by the way.

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