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[Loz]

taper Wrote:

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> We need a new law for the forum.

>

> Given enough time the chances of any thread on the

> EDF having a pop at Local public schools

> approaches one.

>

> I bring you Flashman's Law.

Hang on there... you were the one having a pop at the local school - Alleyns. Are you actually complaining about your own behaviour?

You are hereby hoist with your own petard.

[taper]

Where?

[Loz]

Aw, bugger. Taper/tarot confusion. Sorry.

Memo to Loz... learn to read.

[maxxi]

typical lozzymuck behaviour... dammit, sorry.

[????]

Chippy stuff about private schools shocker.

Without our local private & public schools most of Dulwich would be a built over ugly suburb and that's just for starters.....

(Please note all my kid are and are going to be stated educated before a load of class ridden abuse rains down from the worthy lefties)

[Alex K]

Combined Cadet Force, eh? A young man in cammies, (mostly) olive green and tagged "CCF", on my 176 toward Penge today, out at Northcross Road around noon. A surprise to see that garb; I congratulated him on his activity, thanked him for wearing "uniform", and wished him well. Wonder if that's where he was heading.

[nashoi]

Quite possibly Alex. Back in my day Thursday was the regular CCF day, when the kids had to attend school in uniform. Particularly embarrassing for the naval cadets who wore bell bottoms.

Oh and just for the record, yes we had a CCF and yes we had parachute displays on similar days, but it was a state school.

[maxxi]

If it was a state school don't you mean ACF?

[nashoi]

No I don't.

[sophiesofa]

I had a great view of it from my garden but unfortunately didn't get my camera out in time.

It's not just private schools that have cadets.

[FatherJack]

Here's a couple of pics.........

[steveo]

Were you using a Brownie 127 FatherJack?

[ianr]

Here's one from my window.

[maxxi]

nashoi Wrote:

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> No I don't.

Just asking Nash - the comprehensive school I attended had an ACF unit (which I joined for three weeks) and I always understood the CCF to be the private/grammar school version with very few exceptions - you must have been at one of the exceptions no?

[Penguin68]

This may help clarify - from WikiP but I believe accurate:-

The Army Cadet Force (ACF) is a British youth organisation that offers progressive training in a multitude of the subjects from military training to adventurous training (such as Outward Bound) and first aid, at the same time as promoting achievement, discipline, and good citizenship, to boys and girls aged 12 to 18 and 9 months years of age. Its sister organisation, the Combined Cadet Force provides similar training within various schools. It has connections with the training of the British Army.

Although sponsored by the Ministry of Defence and being very similar in structure and activity, the ACF is not a branch of the British Armed Forces, and as such cadets are not subject to military 'call up'. A proportion of cadets do, however, go on to enlist in the armed forces in later life, and many of the organisation's leaders - formally termed 'Cadet Force Adult Volunteers', or informally 'Adult Instructors' - can come from a previous cadet service or military background. However, these days most ACF organisations welcome any person wishing to volunteer, especially those people with skills such as adventure training, outdoor pursuits, teachers, people with medical skills and persons showing an interest in enthusing young people to become more active. The Army Cadet Force Association (ACFA), which today is responsible for the guidance of the Army Cadet Force, and through many committees acts in an advisory role to the Ministry of Defence and other Government bodies on matters connected with the ACF,[3] is a registered charity.[4] The Army Cadet Force is also a member of The National Council for Voluntary Youth Services (NCVYS),[5] as an organisation with a voluntary and community youth focus.

So the CCF is specifically schools based, the ACF is for the same age group but school independent. You may have been at a school and encouraged to join a local ACF force because your school did not support its own CCF.

[maxxi]

hmmm interesting but wiki also has this... [ETA: re the CCF]

Today, unit contingents exist in UK independent schools, many grammar schools and a handful of comprehensive schools.

and this...

The CCF movement is dominated by the independent sector with the majority of contingents still being based in public schools. It was reported in 2008 that some Public School CCF detachments would be opened to pupils of local state schools.[10]

I was just making the fairly obvious - although now less true - point that CCF was for posh kids and ACF for the oiks.

*salutes in oikish manner*

ETA also: Michael Gove very much behind making CCF more accessible to oiks like me - he said: "We know there are many state schools who would like to have cadet forces. We know the resources haven't been there in the past. I would like to do everything possible to encourage more state schools to have cadet forces and more independent schools who already have cadet forces to help state schools go down that road."

[edhistory]

Alleyn's are entitled to run an exclusive cadet force.

Ordinary young people of East Dulwich can join our local cadet force at Hign Wood Barracks.

I had a look for the very old thread about why Dulwich Sea Cadets were forced to leave their Greendale base. Either I'm mistaken and there was no such thread, or it has been deleted. Could someone be good enough to post a brief synopsis?

John K

[sillywoman]

Seems like some community brownie points could be scored by Alleyns by opening their exclusive CCF to include admission from the not-exclusive local comps - if they were bothered -which I doubt. And indeed why ever should they?

[sophiesofa]

I think, although not sure, the Harris schools are keen to start cadets. The Haberdashers Aske's academies have cadets but the nearest one is New Cross.

[womanofdulwich]

one of the advantages of ccf is that the cadets have to iron all their stuff for parades-when they are away at camp-so from then on they do all their own ironing ( and more for pocket money) :) at least thats what happened at our house.

[nashoi]

Maxxi - Yes you're right in that it was a grammar school, but a state school none the less.

[Townleygreen]

WoD said

one of the advantages of ccf is that the cadets have to iron all their stuff for parades-when they are away at camp-so from then on they do all their own ironing ( and more for pocket money) smiling smiley at least thats what happened at our house.

That's just what we found with our kids - cleaning and shining boots/shoes also. Almost worth it for that alone. :)

[njc97]

Surely the really posh kids were in an OTC?

[Freddy1929]

Did anyone hear Radio 4 this morning, the MOD has 'LOST' ?60million worth of equipment......they didn't mention a Chinook, but the MOD were unsure what/how the items went missing! I'm just going to ring MOD, they may need to raid Alleyn's....

[Sue]

steveo Wrote:

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> Were you using a Brownie 127 FatherJack?

:))

If he was, the tiny pix would have been in black and white - I think :))