Riots in Tottenham......

[Andicam]

SpaghettiSue40 Wrote:

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> But there must be something that acts like a

> bullet but doesnt actually kill/ No?

Huguenot Wrote:

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> I think you've been watching too much Hollywood

> PastaSue. ;-)

This article was written 13 years ago

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/police-to-look-at-bean-bag-gun-1190804.html

[ratty]

Looting in Brixton last night. WABOFC!

[Santerme]

ratty Wrote:

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> Looting in Brixton last night. WABOFC!

Class Reunion?

[Huguenot]

Andicam, you'll notice that the email only referred to knife attackers, not firearms attackers. More importantly the police were 'looking at it' not agreeing that either it worked or that the Independent's reporting was accurate.

This is because it's unfair to expect officers to protect themselves against firearms using defensive tools like beanbags or tazers that have 40%+ failure rates.

Frankly I wouldn't do the job if someone gave me a water bomb and asked me to take on a man with a pistol

Would you? Be realistic now. So why do you expect police to?

[Fabricio the Guido]

Apparently, the bullet recovered from the police radio was a police issued bullet. This criminal clearly misfired before shooting himself. In south Africa during the terrorist days, the insurrectionists used to fling themselves down the stairs all the time with their hands cuffed behind their backs. Seen this sort of thing before and it's all too familiar. Tory govt and riots go together like social upheaval and economic downturns.

[Santerme]

Fabricio the Guido Wrote:

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> Apparently, the bullet recovered from the police

> radio was a police issued bullet. This criminal

> clearly misfired before shooting himself. In south

> Africa during the terrorist days, the

> insurrectionists used to fling themselves down the

> stairs all the time with their hands cuffed behind

> their backs. Seen this sort of thing before and

> it's all too familiar. Tory govt and riots go

> together like social upheaval and economic

> downturns.

Well that's cleared that up, call off the investigation, start a multi-million pound inquiry and rain compensation down on Mr Duggan's family.

[Fabricio the Guido]

I am all for an investigation but not for the misinformation often used to manage the news by the police as it allows ill informed arm chair theorist to spout abject nonsense in the name of law and "order". Deliberate emphasis on order there as the law requires that everyone is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law and the problem with proactive policing is it denies criminals their day in court. No wait, am missing something?

[mockney piers]

proactive policing == shooting people?

Wow, are you working in the newspeak department?

[Santerme]

Fabricio the Guido Wrote:

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> I am all for an investigation but not for the

> misinformation often used to manage the news by

> the police as it allows ill informed arm chair

> theorist to spout abject nonsense in the name of

> law and "order". Deliberate emphasis on order

> there as the law requires that everyone is

> innocent until proven guilty in a court of law and

> the problem with proactive policing is it denies

> criminals their day in court. No wait, am missing

> something?

But we are all in the same armchair at the moment, aren't we?

[Jeremy]

I think it's really irresponsible to start spreading rumours about him being pinned down, shot at point blank, etc. Especially coming from somebody who (I think) works in the legal profession.

[Fabricio the Guido]

We may all be sitting in arm chairs, but some of us are looking at the stars.

[Santerme]

Well at least I have a roof!

[Fabricio the Guido]

Err metaphor for curiosity about the world around us. But touch?.... I geddit...

[Fabricio the Guido]

@ Jeremy, you talking to me? I drive a taxi :-)

Besides, you have your facts wrong. Go up thread and all will be clarified.

[Jeremy]

Fabricio the Guido Wrote:

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> @ Jeremy, you talking to me?

Nope, was aimed more at someone else.

> you have your facts wrong. Go up thread and all will be clarified.

I've read the thread... still not sure which facts you mean, and where abouts they are clarified!

[WrightC]

DJKillaQueen Wrote:

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> A couple of days ago a gunman fired shots at

> Police and in turn was shot dead.

>

> Now local youths and people have attacked the

> Police Station and are rioting.....

>

> Sky News Live Feed

Get you facts right DJKQ, it's not been reported that Mark Duggan fired shots at the police.

[Fabricio the Guido]

p_glover Wrote:

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> At the end of the day a bad man on London's street

> has been taken off them after being found in

> possession of a gun.

>

> 1) why has he got a gun?

> 2) what's he intending to do with it?

>

> Whatever happens, hats off to the police officer

Proactive policing.........

> that made that decision to fire. If it wasn't for

> these brave cops people like Gangster Mark Duggan

> would be walking around the streets causing pain

> and grief to other families with the gun he

> carries.

>

> Even if he didn't fire first and pointed the gun

> at the officers they are well within all their

> rights to pull the trigger and shoot him. "Common

> Law" - Sect 3 Criminal Law Act

> You cant expect an armed cop to wait around all

> day telling an armed and dangerous man to put the

> gun down while it is pointing at him.

> At the end of the day the officers have the right

> to go home to there families etc like the rest of

> us after doing our job.

>

> I feel whatever the police do they are always

> blamed in one way and never really praised.

> Incidents were armed criminals are taken of the

> streets occur daily by our armed police and only

> in a few cases are shots fired. When was the last

> one...2008 was it in Chelsea. 3 years with no

> deaths!

>

> Next we will being moaning about our soldiers

> firing at the Taliban and killing them. It's

> exactly the same. if they point an Ak47 at you,

> you will want the soldier to pull the trigger

> first and kill them before he dies!

>

> Also lets not have any more stupid questions about

> why police didn't shoot him in the leg, arm

> etc....Grow up.

>

> Live by the sword die by sword!

[mrcee]

The second post on this thread is interesting http://www.se23.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=5045

[LadyDeliah]

Here we are:

Even though I am not keen on the Torygraph!

Is anyone beginning to see that this was a pile of crap spun out by the police yet?

[Huguenot]

No LD, nobody knows, and for some bizarre reason you're fuelling the fire of outrage. What on earth are you doing this for?

You're like the Tabloids blaming Norway's tragedy on Al Qaeda.

Nobody knows for now, and I have little doubt we'll find out.

Now for heaven's sake stop egging on people in hatred and conflict. It's irresponsible.

[LadyDeliah]

So are you saying he shot the cop with a cop gun?

None of the police said that.

Why would the bullet be police issue if Duggan supposedly shot the cop?

[Santerme]

He well could have been wrestling with the officer and the officer's gun went off, the point is I don't know, you don't know.

We can create all kind of permutations of scenarios.

My problem is this need to blame the police which is a little obsessive.

Wait for the IPCC to report, then we will all know.

Although I am sure if it does not fit your view, it will have been a whitewash of some kind.

[Huguenot]

As Santerme said LD, I don't know. Neither do you.

What I know without any doubt is that attacking the police with ridulous assertions of executions is generating a justification for teenagers in north London to ransack their community and burn people's houses.

Why you want that to happen baffles me.

[SpaghettiSue40]

I wonder if any aromatherapy homeopathic essential oils wafted under the offenders noses would have had any effect?

[Brendan]

Is it true that they were only attacking businesses that serve foie gras?