Trouble in peckham?

[Gimme]

Yeah. Their fault for not being numerous enough...

They are probably reluctance to shoot people at present too.

[Saffron]

Senor Chevalier Wrote:

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> And Saffron surely it is "lego" plural not leggos.

> I know there's shit going down, but it's no

> excuse.

Indeed*. Edited to read "We're going to pelt them with cat litter and nonbranded children's plastic building blocks."

*Actually the plural is LEGO® bricks, but I'm having trouble typing since my toddler pulled half the keys off my laptop and just days before my thesis is due!!!!

[Jeremy]

Is this just a natural result of a society which has increasingly lived in fear of its youth? Grown men and women are afraid to stand up to 14 yr old children, and we've reached the point where they think they can do whatever they want. Perhaps we're paying the price for our own cowardice.

[Santerme]

Gimme Wrote:

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> Yeah. Their fault for not being numerous

> enough...

> They are probably reluctance to shoot people at

> present too.

Or shove someone too hard!

[rebwec01]

Any more updates? Is ED now quiet?

[TheArtfulDogger]

bring back the right for police to 'clip yobs' around the ear hole, give the police back the respect they deserve (or get Gene Hunt on the job at the very least)

[welshgirlinED]

How are things in ED now please?

[LadyDeliah]

I think this article is quite good in explaining the anger some people might be feeling, without justifying the way they have expressed it:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/aug/08/tottenham-riots-not-unexpected

[cjanker]

Hearing reports that the Cheeseblock has miraculously survived the ED riots....

http://twitter.com/#!/signal1650

[TheArtfulDogger]

echos of 85 ?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/october/1/newsid_2486000/2486315.stm

[Santerme]

LadyDeliah Wrote:

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> I think this article is quite good in explaining

> the anger some people might be feeling, without

> justifying the way they have expressed it:

>

> http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/aug/0

> 8/tottenham-riots-not-unexpected

I think the fact they didn't bother to loot Waterstones is the clincher.

[Loz]

Is it my imagination or are most of the riots/looting centred around branches of JJB Sports?

[Cam123]

Anger / bad attitude, it's all the same really.

It seems to have got to a level where it's like mass hysteria and people are looking for an outlet for their heightened adrenaline / excitement / stress, call it what you will. I'm glad we all have this little outlet here, otherwise who knows what we might do.

Perhaps we should try to take our streets back? Anyone?

[Jeremy]

Loz Wrote:

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> Is it my imagination or are most of the

> riots/looting centred around branches of JJB

> Sports?

Trainers and tracksuits. Early Christmas.

[welshgirlinED]

Anyone know how ED is at the moment and whether things have calmed down?

[The Nappy Lady]

Bee74 this must have been terrifying, so glad you both got home safely & hope you're not too shaken.

bee74 Wrote:

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> I was swimming with my toddler in Peckham Pool 5-6

> pm. Pool shut and let people out but not in. They

> let us out from back door so we would be closer to

> car, but car was blocked just outside on the main

> street because of rioters. We could not moved for

> ten minutes and I was terrified for my little one

> in the back as youth was walking past with stones,

> etc. Finally two policemen noticed the 5 blocked

> cars and managed to move bus out of the way. Got

> as far as the pharmacy (ABC?) at the big traffic

> lights when we had to veer off towards Goose Green

> because of the burning bus on the main road. Some

> kids with metal chairs smashed a car just two cars

> ahead of me, which had slowed down to let some

> pedestrains through. Finally got home going via

> Dogkennel Hill... Boy safe in bed now, but what

> the hell is going on?!

[Adam999]

Alex K wrote

> The throwing of bricks through windows and the

> setting afire of buses is not the police's fault.

> Agreed.

>

> The failure to act swiftly, and forcefully, to END

> those events... Isn't that the police's fault?

> Point for debate.

It's not a point for debate. The police are doing their best to control what is in effect mob rule across London with limited numbers and resources. They are brave people, risking their lives on the streets trying to deal with these rioters and so deserve our full support.

[Saffron]

I'm in se4. Can suddenly hear LOTS of sirens in the distance!

[Dougal Mulldoon]

I can?t understand why instead of condemning our disaffected youth you don?t accept their initiative in stocking up early for Christmas.

[Sue]

Someone just tweeted disturbances now in W11.

Man apparently shot in Croydon.

Woolwich on BBC News.

Things are getting worse, not better.

[DinkyToy]

LadyDeliah

So, black-on-black gun crime is actually my fault, not theirs?

Gang warfare is my fault, not theirs?

Stop and search apparently used to target minorities disproportionatly. The fact that most muggings, knife crime and gun crime is carried out by minorities is entirely ignored.

I work next to a similar aged black guy to myself - mid 30's single. He has a son from a previous relationship and I can guarentee he or his son are not out tonight on a family trip ripping flat screens from the window displays of Currys.

This is not due to feelings of "having no stake in society." If you don't want to steal TV's, then don't. If you don't want to knife a person - then don't. It's called personal responsibility.

This is feral children who have no fear.

[jennyh]

It wasn't a Facebook campaign, was a link to another petition. Quite a good way of rallying support for this sort if thing I would imagine. Then again is it all just fuelling it more.

[maxxi]

welshgirlinED Wrote:

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> Anyone know how ED is at the moment and whether

> things have calmed down?

Yes they have - on LL - police still around and windows being boarded up.

[LadyDeliah]

DinkyToy Wrote:

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> LadyDeliah

>

> So, black-on-black gun crime is actually my fault,

> not theirs?

>

> Gang warfare is my fault, not theirs?

>

> Stop and search apparently used to target

> minorities disproportionatly. The fact that most

> muggings, knife crime and gun crime is carried out

> by minorities is entirely ignored.

>

> I work next to a similar aged black guy to myself

> - mid 30's single. He has a son from a previous

> relationship and I can guarentee he or his son are

> not out tonight on a family trip ripping flat

> screens from the window displays of Currys.

>

> This is not due to feelings of "having no stake in

> society." If you don't want to steal TV's, then

> don't. If you don't want to knife a person - then

> don't. It's called personal responsibility.

>

> This is feral children who have no fear.

I said this did I? Where?

[DinkyToy]

I rather thought that was the point you were trying to make by refering to that Guardian article.