Petition for the convicted rioters to lose benefits

[edresi10]

Lets all do what the Liberals want- lets throw money at the situation because it makes us all feel better. Not that the failed billions that have been spent in the past years is anything to go by. Or in fact shall we just give them all new pairs of trainers, clothes, plasma screen tvs and PS3's as they have been so hard done by by the state- its a load of crap.

The majority of these looters arent interested in education or getting decent jobs or moving up in the world, they are just angry young kids who are only interested in doing as little work as possible and still getting paid to do it. This country is seriously screwed up.

If you actually listen to them they dont know why they are doing it, they are just sheep who are angry, angry because here you are expected to work if you want the nicer things in life, the luxuries, but these people dont want to do that, its to hard, but its alot easier to hang around in gangs preying on the people that do work hard and just taking what you want. Hell it seems a lot easier than my life.

[StraferJack]

"Lets all do what the Liberals want- lets throw money at the situation because it makes us all feel better. "

What you mean is "let's all put words in liberals mouths and misrepresent them"

[Dee Woffaz]

Could we use them to stag on the gates and do mobile patrols round the perimeter of our gated community.............?

[Brendan]

Ok good you can think at least one level into an issue. Now have a go at think one more. Then another and further on etc.

Once you?ve mastered that we?ll try a thing called context.

[Brendan]

Sorry I thought this was the, ?Petition for patronising cunts to post on the forum? thread.

[edresi10]

Go on then put it in context for us all to see

[cmck83]

StraferJack Wrote:

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> Yep - repercussions should be meaningful and

> strong - that I agree with

>

> I'm siding with the long community sentence thing,

> as well as the restoration of any groups which

> have recentlly had their funding cut to deal with

> people like this. primarily because it's more

> sucessful AND cheaper than employing more police

> and just hoping it doesn't happen again

If that is done though, it has to be done properly. (I would be happy with this done properly plus selling off possessions, I'm adamant about that. If that can be done in Ireland it can be done here, just like rubber bullets!)

[StraferJack]

I don't recall rubber bullets being all that succesful in Ireland

[Otta]

Whoever thinks that food vouchers would be a good idea, should have a chat with some aboriginal communities in Australia.

[Otta]

As for the Original Post / idea...

Christ there are some fucking stupid people sharing oxygen with me in this country!

[katie1997]

StraferJack Wrote:

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> I don't recall rubber bullets being all that

> succesful in Ireland

Excuse my ignorance but was that against rioting - or looting? Or does the difference not matter?

Are we talking deterrent to it happening in first place or 'solution' once its kicked off?

[Loz]

My bet for tomorrow's foaming rant: "Why are we spending money on overseas aid, when we could be using it to put bobbies on the beat?".

[cmck83]

StraferJack Wrote:

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> I don't recall rubber bullets being all that

> succesful in Ireland

Sorry, I just found the concept that it wasn't acceptable to use watercannons and rubber bullets in London, but they are fine to use NI offensive. (Not on here, in terms of what T May said).

But to be fair, most of the kids rioting stopped when they realised the Police in London were gonna get tough.

[StraferJack]

I don't think the difference between rioting and looting matters tbh

as a tactic to control, it did nothing to foster relations in Ireland , plus:

"In a study of 90 patients in Northern Ireland, one died, 17 suffered permanent disabilities or deformities and 41 required hospital treatment after being fired upon with rubber bullets.[7]"

I think it might have had a positive effect on Monday, but much worse effects down the line. I understand some people will read those numbers and say that's acceptable risk tho'. I'm just not one of them

[lostcat]

So here we have it, scratch the surface of the east dulwich urban idyll and we have a bunch of rabid reactionaries demanding some sort of totalitarian state...I wonder how the current crop of middle class east dulwich offspring will turn out. Their enormous designer buggies block the pavements, they rampage and scream through the cafes and shops to be met only with adoring words and glances from parents who seem unaware of anyone else, let alone imparting respect for others. These children are taught that the world revolves around them and no doubt they will grow up expecting and receiving benefits that many of these 'feral' rioters you talk about will never know.

[mockney piers]

Is there a surplus of phlegm today or something?

[katie1997]

StraferJack Wrote:

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> I don't think the difference between rioting and

> looting matters tbh

>

> as a tactic to control, it did nothing to foster

> relations in Ireland , plus:

>

> "In a study of 90 patients in Northern Ireland,

> one died, 17 suffered permanent disabilities or

> deformities and 41 required hospital treatment

> after being fired upon with rubber bullets.[7]"

>

> I think it might have had a positive effect on

> Monday, but much worse effects down the line. I

> understand some people will read those numbers and

> say that's acceptable risk tho'. I'm just not one

> of them

Thanks for that, I am just wondering if different tactics are needed. In NI the rioters didn't set fire to their local shops and loot everywhere did they? (Or did they?)

I'm guessing that riots are easier to predict there. Just felt awful to see London burning and the police seemingly equipped with nothing more than riot shields. I understand the bit about water cannons not being able to be deployed in this situation but genuinely wondered about the effectiveness of rubber bullets if it had been deployed in this instance at least.

[cmck83]

What about paint balls made of indelible ink? (seriously). They hurt and could help identify people, but I can't see how they would kill anyone.

[Jeremy]

Paintballs... I actually quite like that idea. Aside from marking/identification, they hurt, they're less harmful than baton rounds, and very cheap.

[Otta]

That is actually rather a good idea.

[cmck83]

Yay! At least one of my ideas could work, haha!

[Santerme]

StraferJack Wrote:

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> I don't recall rubber bullets being all that

> succesful in Ireland

Oh yes they were

[cmck83]

No, it's decided, paintballs not rubber bullets. Imagine how fun the training would be too, haha!

[Jeremy]

Apparently you can get 'paintballs' filled with capsaicin solution (pepper spray), which have previously been used in riot control.

[david_carnell]

Santerme Wrote:

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> StraferJack Wrote:

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> > I don't recall rubber bullets being all that

> > succesful in Ireland

>

> Oh yes they were

I guess that depends how you define success.

Dispel rioters. Tick.

Help community relations. Cross.