Caravan?s moved into car park at the old Grove Tavern pub

[ConcernedCitizen]

Has anybody noticed the caravan?s that have moved into the car park at the old Grove Tavern pub? Already 2 loads of rubbish dumped there!

[Alexthecamel]

Dulwich Estates have hardly shown themselves to be responsible guardians have they? The place is a already a shameful mess.

[ConcernedCitizen]

No they certainly have not. Now 6 caravans in the front of the car park and multiple loads of rubbish being dumped in the back of the car park. Can only assume they will continue the convoy of small trucks in and out to dump sofas, baths, rubble and whatever else they have. Whose idea was it to remove the concrete blocks that were in place to stop this from happening? This was destined to happen from the moment they were removed! The only surprising thing is it has taken so long.

[lavender27]

Disgusting, someone should call environment health, rodents and other vermin will move in. I'll call them, uf you want me to.

[binkylilyput]

Let the council know about any rubbish issues.......otherwise leave them be

[KidKruger]

the land has been clearly unused and neglected for some time now. if someone can make use of it in the interim without soiling the local environment and polluting with rubbish that's OK, no ?

[nxjen]

I believe the land is still governed by a lease from Dulwich Estates to the company that were running the pub before the fire so would it not be for that company to take action regarding eviction etc? They don't seem the slightest bit interested in the property so they could well do nothing.

[Sue]

The concrete blocks have been replaced with locked gates, haven't they?

And I thought the car park was being used as a holding space for school buses so that they didn't obstruct local streets?

There is a thread on this somewhere.

So how did the caravans get in?

[mikeb]

I would have thought M&B is probably in breach of its lease if it is letting the site go to ruin, which would let the Estate step in.

[uncleglen]

https://www.southwarknews.co.uk/news/residents-want-answers-future-dulwichs-old-grove-tavern/

From last November

[ConcernedCitizen]

I?m guessing they got in by using bolt cutters to cut through the very flimsy locks. The deliveries of rubbish continues......

[Rob tolfts]

Went past earlier, they've left the lock on, just unbolted the gate from its hinges.

I assume that still constitutes breaking and entering?

[Siduhe]

Does anyone know how to contact the Dulwich Estate to make sure they are aware of this? As the freeholder they would have the right to evict (and/or the obligation to clean up).

[uncleglen]

Flytipping as well....

[rendelharris]

Rob tolfts Wrote:

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> Went past earlier, they've left the lock on, just

> unbolted the gate from its hinges.

>

> I assume that still constitutes breaking and

> entering?

I think I recall from the old days of Greenham protests etc that you have to actually enter a physical structure to be breaking and entering, if you just "break in" to open land it's only trespass.

[alice]

They know. They don?t care.

[CaptainPugwash]

At least we can get our driveways tarmaced in the meantime.

Joking aside, are the local councillors and Dulwich Estate aware? If we can't change a porch, I don't see why these 'caravaners' have carte blanche. It is, however, a damning testament of the utter ruin that the pub has been left in for too many years. Are the Dulwich Estate and local authority even aware of the 'broken window' theory when it comes to neighbourhood decay?

[alice]

Read my post

[xapis85]

Just seen two of their dogs roaming freely around our carpark/garden area and then back under fence (flats directly backing onto where they are).

So many loads of rubbish being dumped too.

[intexasatthe moment]

If it's poss for you to take photos ( of rubbish being dumped ,people ,reg plates ) without drawing attention to yourself then it might be more productive to supply these to Southwark/police than posting on here .

[xapis85]

Police have apparently already attended and are not interested.

[Dervok]

I have reported fly tipping to southwark council - but because it is in a carpark of an unused pub I am not sure will they be able to remove the rubbish. and I have tried to contact the police also.

Further rubbish was dumped ~30 mins ago. I tried to take a photo - but did not get the registration as I was too far away.

[Dervok]

I have spoken to the police about the rubbish- they are sending someone to do a 'risk assessement' in the next hour - and will liase with the council if appropriate thereafter regarding the rubbish.

[sally buying]

Why not put heavy large concrete blocks over the entrance stopping them get in or out and then prosecute.

Or does their protected status stop anything like that?

[George Orwell]

"Or does their protected status stop anything like that?"

Someone I know who's fond of cockney rhyming slang calls them :

Do as you likeys.