TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge

[Sonners]

I have been sharing the consultation links on various Facebook groups. I hope enough opposition is being drummed up against the 40 being changed.

[ab29]

The most ridiculous idea - as the transport links n Dulwich weren't already bad enough!

[pebs]

you know they are going to do this already - fiat accompli ... deeply frustrating

[Miacis]

Have responded and added comments around disability impact to equality impact section. Would ask others to do the same.

This really is a major issue for patients attending Guy's. The 42 bus is just not a reasonable alternative. I know it's hard to imagine but if you're not well or suffering from side effects of chemo 100 meters is a very long way (a marathon as said above) let alone trying to navigate crowded places such as London Bridge or bus interchanges.

Thanks all

[Siduhe]

I recently made a enquiry/complaint to TFL about the increased number of buses I've been on terminating early at rush hour - spurred on by a day when I got on 3 x 63 buses one after the other and none of them ran beyond Blackfriars

I got the usual brush off reply but it had some interesting stuff in it, relevant to the plans for the number 40. TFL's view is that the way to keep buses running to time with less resources is to run shorter bus routes and require passengers to change at least once (but up to two times is considered acceptable) to get to destinations that used to be served by a single route. Their theory is that it's the long bus routes that cause delays overall and that running shorter routes and requiring people to change more is the way to keep things running smoothly and "to provide maximum service to the main and busiest parts of the route". Which is exactly what they are proposing with the 40.

To the comment above, that seems to assume that everyone is able to navigate multiple buses with limited allowance for people with disabilities, prams, luggage and that it will be possible to change onto other buses at peak times.

[singalto]

I got on the 40 towards Dulwich Library a few days ago and it suddenly terminated at Ondine road! No explanation. The bus then drove up LL.

[bloodoranges]

massively opposed - have filled it out.

[El Presidente]

Siduhe Wrote:

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> I recently made a enquiry/complaint to TFL about

> the increased number of buses I've been on

> terminating early at rush hour - spurred on by a

> day when I got on 3 x 63 buses one after the other

> and none of them ran beyond Blackfriars

>

> I got the usual brush off reply but it had some

> interesting stuff in it, relevant to the plans for

> the number 40. TFL's view is that the way to keep

> buses running to time with less resources is to

> run shorter bus routes and require passengers to

> change at least once (but up to two times is

> considered acceptable) to get to destinations that

> used to be served by a single route. Their theory

> is that it's the long bus routes that cause delays

> overall and that running shorter routes and

> requiring people to change more is the way to keep

> things running smoothly and "to provide maximum

> service to the main and busiest parts of the

> route". Which is exactly what they are proposing

> with the 40.

>

> To the comment above, that seems to assume that

> everyone is able to navigate multiple buses with

> limited allowance for people with disabilities,

> prams, luggage and that it will be possible to

> change onto other buses at peak times.

The 63 is particularly bad for this. Used to happen all the time when i got it. The 40 less so. It's a good service usually, which makes it all the more annoying that they are getting rid of it. And it seems our local councillors are twiddling their thumbs doing nothing about it...

[Elphinstone's Army]

Councillors, MP's, where art thou ?? c'mon now, show us your mettle, spare the 40.

[dbboy]

I believe buses are controlled by something called "Ibus", a controller who monitors where buses are in there journey compared to where they should be plus in the cab is a device that seems to allow the driver see where they should be. This can result in buses crawling between stops as a P13 did yesterday from Underhill Road to Lordship Lane at which point it returned to "normal" speed. You'll here a message broadcast on the bus saying "this bus has been instructed to wait here to even out the service". The driver puts out this message so they can "legitimately" wait at a bus stop for a few minutes. Really annoying when it happens and being turfed off early because the bus is terminating earlier than its destination is even more annoying. Its apparently called progress, yeah, right, I'd quite happy describe it as something else though. Little us the paying public can do about it.

[Sally Eva]

TFL is run by the mayor. The Greater London Assembly members would probably be the people to contact for assistance.

The Southwark member is Florence Eshalomi. Caroline Pigeon who is on the Transport Cttee is a former Southwark councillor.

[jamesmcash]

Hi all

The Southwark Labour Group, which comprises the 49 Labour Councillors in Southwark, opposes these cuts to bus services, including the rerouting of the 40. The Council has submitted a consultation response to this effect.

This will be discussed at the next Council Assembly and I will be asking the Southwark Cabinet member about what we are doing locally on this issue, in particular with regard to the number 40.

Best wishes

James

[rendelharris]

dbboy Wrote:

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> I believe buses are controlled by something called

> "Ibus", a controller who monitors where buses are

> in there journey compared to where they should be

> plus in the cab is a device that seems to allow

> the driver see where they should be. This can

> result in buses crawling between stops as a P13

> did yesterday from Underhill Road to Lordship Lane

> at which point it returned to "normal" speed.

> You'll here a message broadcast on the bus saying

> "this bus has been instructed to wait here to even

> out the service". The driver puts out this message

> so they can "legitimately" wait at a bus stop for

> a few minutes. Really annoying when it happens and

> being turfed off early because the bus is

> terminating earlier than its destination is even

> more annoying. Its apparently called progress,

> yeah, right, I'd quite happy describe it as

> something else though. Little us the paying public

> can do about it.

Yes it is annoying having to wait, but don't you remember when we would all moan about how one would wait half an hour and then three buses turn up at once? That virtually never happens now and in my experience the buses are much more regular and evenly spaced these days, a few minutes waiting at a stop is a reasonable price to pay for that I feel. No excuse for terminating services early though.

[dbboy]

Have to disagree, often see buses in bunches

[ed26]

Thank you James. Good to know you are supporting us.

[jrpfinch]

Interesting times for buses.

I've pretty much given up using buses because they take too long and are very crowded at the times I want to use them. I'm sure they're slower than they used to be, probably because of Uber, Amazon Prime and population/economic growth.

I now have a belt-drive bike which is very little maintenance and I'm sure e-scooters are going take off in the next couple of years.

This essentially leaves buses for the elderly, disabled, ill, parents with small children and drinkers.

[Sue]

jrpfinch Wrote:

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> This essentially leaves buses for the elderly,

> disabled, ill, parents with small children and

> drinkers.

And people who aren't in a hurry who would rather have a pleasant journey where they can get a seat and look out of the window.

And don't have to worry about traffic, other people's appalling driving and finding somewhere to park.

[006andahalf]

jamesmcash Wrote:

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> Hi all

>

> The Southwark Labour Group, which comprises the 49

> Labour Councillors in Southwark, opposes these

> cuts to bus services, including the rerouting of

> the 40. The Council has submitted a consultation

> response to this effect.

>

> This will be discussed at the next Council

> Assembly and I will be asking the Southwark

> Cabinet member about what we are doing locally on

> this issue, in particular with regard to the

> number 40.

>

> Best wishes

> James

[ed26]

The consultation response has been published and is here: https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/central-london/

It's over 200 pages and includes very detailed summaries of the responses (e.g. 76% of respondents think the shortening of the 40 bus route will have a negative impact on their journeys - page 95-ish) and dozens of pages of council and politician opposition to the proposals. But then it goes on to say that 29 or the original 33 proposals are going ahead, including the shortening of the 40 bus route. Nice of TfL to listen.

[El Presidente]

it's official, the 40 bus route to London Bridge and the City is being killed off from 15 June this year.

As this thread shows, a big blow to many in ED. Our local councillors have failed to protect this vital service despite massive local opposition. Too slow off the mark if you ask me.

https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/central-london/

[singalto]

So few people bothered to fill in the consultation so it was obviously going to go ahead. Just over 7100 in the whole of London did the survey and of those just over 1400 commented on the 40. The 171 will now terminate at the Elephant.

[PSJ]

Devastated. I loved that 40 route. Transport to/from E.D. isn't great, but the 40 was one of the highlights.

Everything gets ruined.

:(

I guess I can send my complaints to [email protected]

[philosophie]

Are they killing off the 40 entirely or rerouting - and will it still go through East Dulwich? I'm wading through the info and getting a bit lost!

[Gloves]

The 40 is my way into the City when I don't cycle!

Boo.

I am not sure I can be bothered changing at the Nellie!

[ed26]

@philosphie - 40 will go Dulwich Library to Elephant & Castle as usual, but then follow the 63 route as far as Farringdon. From June, I think.