Pedestrian signals consultation - junction by Harvester

[SMCC Colts]

TfL are consulting on putting in some proper pedestrian crossings at the junction of the South Circular and Lordship Lane.

https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/roads/a205-dulwich-common-lordship-lane/

This is really important to me because it?s right outside the cricket club that I help to run. Many of our secondary school aged players make their own way to and from the club, and this junction has been a real worry for a long time. Even for adults crossing either on their own or with young children it?s a pretty terrifying junction to cross.

We also have a lot of adults using the crossing as pedestrians under the influence of alcohol. This includes both senior players after matches and a period of time in the bar, and parents of kids every Friday evening during the summer when we also have the bar open and many parents enjoy a good few glasses of well deserved refreshment.

I enquired about this junction to local councillors many years ago and was told that they had already been lobbying TfL (who control the South Circular, not Southwark) for years without success. It is, in my humble view, many, many years overdue that this absolute no-brainer of a safety improvement gets done.

In my view, the following two changes should also be made to the proposal:

a) Turn the third crossing point (the one nearest the church) into one that has pedestrian signals also. Why would you not? It?s not in the nature of people (especially young people) to walk extra yards in order to use another crossing. They will use the shortest route. I would say it?s a ?must have? that all three crossing points have pedestrian signals.

b) Add ?KEEP CLEAR? areas on the road opposite the cricket club and tennis club so that cars can more safely pull out, rather than having to dart out into the moving line of cars. I have been doing this manoeuvre about twice a week for the last four years, and it?s nearly always a case of having to drive into the westbound lane in order to try to get motorists in the eastbound lane to let you in. It is often a slightly hurried and precarious move. A ?KEEP CLEAR? area would make this substantially safer, especially during periods such as 7pm on Tuesdays and Fridays, when we have a change-over between two junior training sessions and we have 20-30 cars trying to leave the car-park at the same time.

I?d be hugely grateful to anyone filling in the consultation form to support the changes, and especially if you could back up my two proposed changes mentioned above.

Thank you.

David Cook

Streatham & Marlborough Cricket Club Juniors (https://sites.google.com/view/smccjuniors/smcc-juniors) and I?m also a local resident who would like to use the junction with my two kids aged 8 and 10 to get to Dulwich Park.

[solar]

There's already another thread about this, but yes totally agree that this junction needs a pedestrian phase on the traffic lights as a minimum.

[Abe_froeman]

Maybe these parents should take a bit more responsibility and not get so drunk they can't get their children safely across the road.

[SMCC Colts]

@Abe_froeman, even if you've not had 2-3 pints or glasses of wine, it's a ridiculously dangerous junction. We have over 200 kids of all ages and their parents coming to training and matches every week in the summer, plus 6-7 men's teams and 2 ladies' teams using the club. A lot of us use the junction as pedestrians and it's a potentially fatal accident waiting to happen unless TfL install pedestrian crossing signals. Please support the proposal. Thanks.

[Abe_froeman]

Fair enough re children needing to cross the road but i dont think saying that the crossing is needed because people are drinking near by will win much sympathy!

[Sue]

The drinking issue is irrelevant.

It is a very dangerous crossing. End of. (If that's still an expression).

[SMCC Colts]

Thanks, Sue.

Abe and everyone else, please feel free not to mention in your replies to the consultation that there is a bar near the junction (wishing I hadn't mentioned it now!) but the junction certainly is dangerous. TfL always argued that people should walk the 100m or so to the next set of lights, but we all know that in reality hardly anyone does that. The junction ought to be made safe for pedestrians. End of. (Still an expression) :-)

[CaptainPugwash]

This is fantastic news. My wife and I often cross Dulwich Common to get to Dulwich Park and it is perilous to do so - this can't come soon enough.

[SMCC Colts]

I wrote to our local councillors and am delighted to have received the following response showing how strongly they support the proposal, which I reproduce here with Councillor Andy Simmons' permission...

Dear David,

Thanks very much for your email.

We?ve been campaigning on this for a very long time now and it has been a huge challenge to persuade and cajole Transport for London into bringing forward this proposal for consultation. In the end it took meetings with Sadiq Khan?s Deputy Mayor for Transport and TfL?s Head of Surface Transport to get this moving. TfL have a very strong focus on keeping traffic flowing and have used this issue repeatedly over the years as a reason to refuse to take action.

The design that TfL has brought forward involves a two stage crossing with a change in turning priority for westbound traffic on Dulwich Common at the junction. This means that, for example, when pedestrians are crossing halfway from the east side of Lordship Lane towards the Harvester there will be two lanes of traffic turning right from Dulwich Common into Lordship Lane. TfL claim that three straight across crossings would lead to grid lock on the South Circular.

We asked for a straight across crossing at each arm of the junction and will include this desire again in our consultation response to Transport for London and continue to lobby for this.

We?re also very happy to support the request for a Keep Clear area on Dulwich Common.

Best wishes,

Andy

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Councillor Andy Simmons

Labour Councillor for Dulwich Wood Ward

[BrandNewGuy]

TfL has completed its consultation and there was overwhelming support for their proposals. Just had this reply:

--- Dear Sir or Madam

Between 13 September and 25 October 2018, we consulted on proposals to introduce formal pedestrian signalised crossing arrangements at the junction of Dulwich Common and Lordship Lane.

We have now published our Consultation Report, which summarises how we sought comments and feedback on our proposals. We have also published our responses to the most common issues raised during the consultation.

In total, we received 274 responses to the consultation of which:

? 91 per cent supported or strongly supported the overall proposal to make changes to the pedestrian crossings and cycling facilities; and

? 3 per cent opposed or strongly opposed our proposal

We tentatively anticipate commencing the project early in 2020.

We are currently revisiting the design of the scheme to investigate the possibility of introducing a crossing at the southern arm of the junction.

We will inform local residents and stakeholders of any design changes before any construction takes place.

You can find our consultation report and responses to issues raised here: https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/roads/a205-dulwich-common-lordship-lane/.

Yours faithfully

Paula Perry

Local Communities & Partnerships

Transport for London---

[SMCC Colts]

Brilliant!!! Well done, everyone.

Thank you for the update, Brandnewguy.

David Cook

Streatham & Marlborough Cricket Club (Juniors)

[Abe_froeman]

How about free beer for everyone in the nearby bar to celebrate when it opens?! :)

[Sue]

BrandNewGuy Wrote:

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> TfL has completed its consultation and there was

> overwhelming support for their proposals. Just had

> this reply:

>

> --- Dear Sir or Madam

>

> Between 13 September and 25 October 2018, we

> consulted on proposals to introduce formal

> pedestrian signalised crossing arrangements at the

> junction of Dulwich Common and Lordship Lane.

>

> We have now published our Consultation Report,

> which summarises how we sought comments and

> feedback on our proposals. We have also published

> our responses to the most common issues raised

> during the consultation.

>

> In total, we received 274 responses to the

> consultation of which:

>

> ? 91 per cent supported or strongly

> supported the overall proposal to make changes to

> the pedestrian crossings and cycling facilities;

> and

>

> ? 3 per cent opposed or strongly opposed

> our proposal

>

> We tentatively anticipate commencing the project

> early in 2020.

>

> We are currently revisiting the design of the

> scheme to investigate the possibility of

> introducing a crossing at the southern arm of the

> junction.

>

> We will inform local residents and stakeholders of

> any design changes before any construction takes

> place.

>

> You can find our consultation report and responses

> to issues raised here:

> https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/roads/a205-dulwic

> h-common-lordship-lane/.

>

> Yours faithfully

> Paula Perry

>

> Local Communities & Partnerships

>

> Transport for London---

Thanks for this, BNG.

Now I'm wondering why I didn't get a similar letter, as I responded to the consultation.

Was it posted, or emailed? If posted, that probably explains it :(

[muffins78]

I got one - but it arrived in my junk email if that helps Sue

[BrandNewGuy]

Yes, mine was emailed

[Sue]

muffins78 Wrote:

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> I got one - but it arrived in my junk email if

> that helps Sue

Ah thanks, I'll have a look :)

[Siduhe]

Mine also emailed and in junk folder.

[Sue]

Siduhe Wrote:

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> Mine also emailed and in junk folder.

I've just checked my spam folder and that email isn't in it, but hey ho I got to see a long and interesting instruction to release my funds - from CHAIRMAN ECONOMIC & FINANCIAL CRIME COMMISSION.

It's obviously genuine. I'll send him my passport info immediately, as he's awaiting my urgent response :))

Returning to topic, in case admin is watching, I'm now worried in case I never actually submitted my response to the consultation - but I'm pretty sure I did. My allotment site is next to the tennis club by that crossing, and it's an absolute pain getting to it by foot or on the bus without taking your life in your hands or going miles (exaggeration) out of your way.

So I'm delighted at this outcome :)

[Sue]

Whilst standing at the bus stop just down from this junction at around 5pm yesterday, waiting for a bus back down Lordship Lane, I saw SIX vehicles go through a red light (after the lights had changed against them) to turn right onto the South Circular (towards Dulwich Park), thus holding up all the traffic trying to turn right (towards Forest Hill).

I'm therefore a bit concerned as to what will happen even when there are pedestrian crossings. Some drivers just seem to totally ignore red lights, pedestrian crossing (and anyone on it) or not.

[mynamehere]

While you are thinking on this subject, please fill in this consultation as well

https://www.southwark.gov.uk/transport-and-roads/roadworks-and-highway-improvements/street-improvements/our-healthy-streets-dulwich

[Sally Eva]

This is what CCTV cameras are for

[AllisonAdler]

Just this morning a van turning on a green signal and not speeding or doing anything visibly dangerous hit a young woman crossing from Cox's walk towards the Grove. She seemed to be alright apart from being badly bruised and shaken, but it could have been a lot worse. Very distressing for all involved. Hopefully we'll get some kind of pedestrian accommodation at the junction soon.

[mynamehere]

I really hope this was reported

https://www.met.police.uk/a/your-area/met/southwark/dulwich-hill/

[AllisonAdler]

It was indeed. Just an update that the woman who was hit said she was alright, nothing broken, so very lucky.