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I note the council are about to "improve" forest hill road by moving a ped crossing a couple of feet and putting tubs and greenery down the middle of the road. absolutely vital work I am sure. I am also sure demon barber will have a string of reasons why such expenditure is important at a time of hideous spending cuts. wot no cycle parking bay, james?

annabel42 Wrote:

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> There has been a murder and numerous thefts

> in Forest Hilll Road recently.

> Are there any CCTV cameras there?.


Why? You do realise CCTV camera don't actually prevent crime?


Or do you just like watching grainy footage of people being robbed and murdered?

As long as people understand that that are a tool to help solve crime, providing they aren't wearing an 'advanced technology cloaking device', otherwise known as a 'hoodie'.


But some people really do believe that CCTV prevents crime, which is wrong.

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> People who rob other people are not going to do

> it in view of a camera.

>

> They are going to follow someone and rob them

> where there are no cameras and is dark/concealed

>

> You cannot cover every yard of every street with

> a camera.

>

> Fox


Thats Funny Im sure I have seen rioters stealing on CCTV And those fake Good Samaritans. Maybe I dreamt it.

I personally feel the improvements are welcomed. The top end of Forest Hill Road is a spot were motorists speed up coming down the hill as well as up it. The greenery will make the wide part of the road smaller (hopefully to encourage drivers to take more caution) and I certainly think some big green trees or shrubbery will be quite nice :)

HEAD KNIGHT: You must return here with a shrubbery or else you will

never pass through this wood alive!

ARTHUR: O Knights of Nee, you are just and fair, and we will return

with a shrubbery.

HEAD KNIGHT: One that looks nice.

ARTHUR: Of course.

HEAD KNIGHT: And not too expensive.

ARTHUR: Yes.

HEAD KNIGHTS: Now... go!

I'm personally not convinced by the need for all of these improvements - although some of them seem sensible.


The frequency of the lights at the junction with Wood Vale are pretty effective at slowing the traffic down and generally it's a junction that works well for all kinds of road users - unlike the uncontrolled junction with Brenchley Gardens, where traffic regularly pulls out/across Forest Hill Road without much thought, in my experience. The planters/trees could actually reduce visibility for the turn off into/out of Brenchley Gardens - so I've suggested this be kept to low planting rather than trees.


I particularly don't understand the need to put in two straight-ahead pedestrian crossings over the same bit of Forest Hill Road either side of the Wood Vale junction (so within about 4 or 5 metres of each other). Worth looking at the diagram for what is proposed.


http://www.southwark.gov.uk/downloads/download/2988/forest_hill_consultation/

the-e-dealer Wrote:

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> DulwichFox Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > People who rob other people are not going to

> do

> > it in view of a camera.

> >

> > They are going to follow someone and rob them

> > where there are no cameras and is

> dark/concealed

> >

> > You cannot cover every yard of every street

> with

> > a camera.

> >

> > Fox

>

> Thats Funny Im sure I have seen rioters stealing

> on CCTV And those fake Good Samaritans. Maybe I

> dreamt it.


Rioters mostly were masks to hide their identity because they are aware of cameras.

When a riot takes place, opotunists often join in thinking that taking items scattered around

is not really stealling.


Much of this type of activity is spontaneous.


Someone planning to rob someone is going to be more careful not to be seen.

Hence alleyways and poorly lit areas are common sites for street robbery.


Fox

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> the-e-dealer Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > DulwichFox Wrote:

> >

> --------------------------------------------------

>

> > -----

> > > People who rob other people are not going to

> > do

> > > it in view of a camera.

> > >

> > > They are going to follow someone and rob

> them

> > > where there are no cameras and is

> > dark/concealed

> > >

> > > You cannot cover every yard of every street

> > with

> > > a camera.

> > >

> > > Fox

> >

> > Thats Funny Im sure I have seen rioters

> stealing

> > on CCTV And those fake Good Samaritans. Maybe

> I

> > dreamt it.

>

> Rioters mostly were masks to hide their identity

> because they are aware of cameras.

> When a riot takes place, opotunists often join

> in thinking that taking items scattered around

> is not really stealling.

> Much of this type of activity is spontaneous.

>

> Someone planning to rob someone is going to be

> more careful not to be seen.

> Hence alleyways and poorly lit areas are common

> sights for street robbery.

>

> Fox

For me the proposals are one third overkill, on third welcome and one third missed opportunity.


The missed bit is the speed control - some shrubs aren't going to be enough. The stretch that sees crazy speeds is from beyond the junction with Wood Vale northbound or beyond the junction with Colyton Road northbound because it has no traffic lights, pedestrian crossings, speed cameras or speed humps.

Over do speed control, greenery and traffic calming measures could further exacerbate the Colyton / Scutari / Marmora morning / afternoon rat run through residential roads. I believe the plans should also include a chicane or some other measure(s) on Scutari to discourage this.

trizza Wrote:

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> The build outs into the road will just increase

> congestion and, as a cyclist, I just hate them as

> they reduce the available road space.


Agreed - I hate them as a cyclist too. Particularly on hills where most cyclists will end up going slower in any case - we want more room so that you don't feel pressurised with a vehicle on the back wheel rather than less. Those raised entrances into streets aren't great either on a bike.


Thanks for the links so I can send in comments in good time!

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