Revised new - M&S planning application to replace Iceland..

[annabel42]

Thank you first mate. It will be interesting to see what part precedent plays.

Elsewhere,the draft servicing management plan, referring specifically to M & S, and its proposed delivery and waste policies, makes for interesting reading.

[bsand]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gge9jIXW9ro&feature=plcp

[Pugwash]

Having read the planning link (see First Mateas' entry above) I am further in understanding the complications

which will arrive from the approval of an M & S store. All those people in favour should have a good read of this link to see that any change in size of the store and the implications of additional residential accommodation would have a dramatic effect on local residents. I suppose if you want your daily life disrupted from 6 am to late evening

by the arrival of refridgerated lorries on daily basis, Your car bashed in as lorries try to negotiate a tight turn in to the delivery yard. . build up of traffic in LL as motorists try to reverse out of Chesterfield as road is blocked by lorries, your and your children's lives put at risk by lorries mounting the pavements as road is too narrow.................!!.

Even driving a family size car out of Iceland's car park is tricky due to the poor visability, the angle you need to swing out onto the road, means you can easily meet an oncoming vehicle who is travelling too fast for the road.

I have never been in favour of having an M & S or a Waitrose in ED - although I agree that their goods are generally of a high quality, the costs for the most part are outside most people's reach. I do feel M & S sandwiches

and their meal packages ( Dine in for ?10) are good value, but the majority of it's food products are over price. When my mother was alive, she asked me to find out whether M & S did an asparagus soup - they did but at ?1.50 a tin ( this was about 3 years ago) it was way beyond an OAP budget.

[73jem]

Does anyone know when there is to be a decision on this planning application?

[James Barber]

I requested this planning applciation be called-in. This has been agreed.

It will now go to a planning committee and yesterday the officers I chased about when told me after the summer holidays.

Talking to a local residents they believe they've found a legal problem in that the application assumes rights of ways that they don't have. That after the death of a resident whose property was accessed via a service yard it wouldnt be legal for this application to do that.

The more I hear the more of a pickle this application appears to be.

For those that want an M&S Food - and I do REALLY like their chocloate biscuits - I'm sorry the developer appears to have made a mess of the applciation.

Those against it wont happen anytime soon without a major redesign.

[73jem]

Thank you, James, for your prompt reply, hoping for the best .............

[KalamityKel]

Best to wait for an actual decision before getting excited/being disappointed though eh James? ;-)

[Chillaxed]

"your and your children's lives put at risk by lorries mounting the pavements as road is too narrow"

FFS

[the-e-dealer]

Yeah come on lorries are entitled to use the pavement. Its irrelevant to planners

[AlexC]

So if the application does get rejected - which obviously is still speculation - I wonder what could happen to the site? If the developers have decided they want to increase the rent they get from the building and Iceland's lease is coming to an end, would the developers give Iceland a rolling/temporary lease? Or would Iceland bother to stay there if it looks like the developer is after more rent than they are willing to pay?

[DulwichFox]

Well speaking to an employee of Iceland's they are all very well aware it is going..

I suspect M&S will not take it over and that the site may remain empty for a while.

Probably will become offices... with some accommodation...

Happy now M&S supporters. ?

Fox

[AlexC]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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I don't think people on either side of the debate want it to sit there empty while legal wranglings take place!

[spanglysteve]

maybe i'm being naieve, but surely if it gets rejected for planning, the developers will simply ammend it based on the reason for rejection?

[the-e-dealer]

Ofcourse thats how it works.

You didn't think it was like The World Cup one penalty kick and you are out forever did you?

They can even put in multiple applications if they want.

[PeckhamRose]

Could not they head for the site at Dulwich hospital?

[Ridgley]

I do shop at Iceland like some of their products, don?t have a problem with Iceland it does cater for all sorts of people what I find funny those who poo poo Iceland because they think it lowers the tone are forgetting ED is not just for the elite all walks of life live here. I spoke to one of the staff about this subject she said yes there lease will ran out in October and she is forced to work miles out or lose her job.

She also said the same people who look down at Iceland are the same people who shop there but they don?t tell the friend and neighbours they do.

[monica]

Hi Peckham rose, I personally think the Dulwich Hospital site will serve the community better as an open space, community centre, another school perhaps, who knows, but not another supermarket. The team who are currently working on the Dulwich community garden, including local councillors, and the local residents association hopefully agree with me on this, and we are currently working towards a consultation for the site. We have nicknamed it 7 acres :)

[Michael Palaeologus]

To claim that a mess has been made of the application is somewhat disingenuous. Its the kind of thing that isnt immediatly obvious, even during due diligence checks. Perhaps they knew but applied anyway, because you never know what might get through ...

If there is a problem, M&S will simply re-apply, having dealt with the issues. A standard approach would be to apply for everything that you want, knowing that somethings will get not be accepted. You sacrifice the nice and so keep the nescessary.

[the-e-dealer]

what president bhajia said.

[Penguin68]

It would be worthwhile reading this thread in conjunction with that on house prices (sanity check) in ED- what posters there are saying is that the demographic in ED is changing - driven by amongst other things the costs of moving here. Hence, perhaps, the apparent fact that Iceland isn't prepared to die in a ditch to retain their Lordship lane store - as the incumbent they had the best opportunity of working with the ground-landlord - but they have chosen not to make that investment. Clearly M&S felt that investing in new ED-ers made more sense for them.

[rsn]

Having worked for M+S as a section manager in a simply food store, I can say that it will be a nightmare if they open a store on Lordship Lane. Deliveries require a loading bay with a hydraulic lift, and I can't see how they will fit that in if they remove the car park. I would love to see how they will be able to reverse a 60ft lorry onto a loading bay on that tiny road without hitting cars and walls. Also, it will be really fun noise wise at 6am to listen to delivery lorries everyday.

[Ridgley]

I would like Iceland to stay it not hurting anyone, and a lot of us shop there I don't have any snotty issues about this.

[DulwichFox]

All this talk about problems with M&S Deliveries....

How does Iceland handle Deliveries...

What would be different.

Foxed.

[Alan Medic]

The car park.......I think.

[KalamityKel]

The car park and the loading bay at the rear... proposed to be changed quite considerably