Revised new - M&S planning application to replace Iceland..

[billybiro]

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[mynamehere]

Policy 5.6 Car parking

432 All developments requiring car parking should minimise the number of spaces provided. Maximum standards are set out in Appendix 15.

433 Where more than 20 surface parking spaces are proposed, applicants must demonstrate why this cannot be provided underground or within the building.

434 All developments will be expected to include justification for the amount of car parking sought, taking into account:

i. Public Transport Accessibility Levels set out in Appendix 15; and

ii. The impact on overspill parking; and

iii. The demand for parking within the Controlled Parking Zones. The LPA will restrict permit

provision where necessary.

435 Parking for retail and leisure uses within town centres should be shared with public parking, not reserved for customers of a particular development. Maximum stay restrictions are required for all retail and leisure town centre parking.

Reasons

436 Too many cars cause problems with congestion and pollution, increasing travel times and expense as well as causing health problems. With fewer car parking spaces available people will seek alternative modes of transport to the private car, subsequently reducing congestion and pollution.

437 Access to services, leisure, shops and a range of amenities by public transport and other alternative modes of transport to the private car must be considered when providing less car parking in order to ensure efficiency and social inclusion. Measures to control overspill parking are necessary in order to prevent or mitigate loss of amenity including inconvenience to local residents caused by overspill car parking and increased pressure on on-street spaces.

438 Appendix 16 contains a schedule of existing Controlled Parking Zones.

439 PPS3, PPG 4, PPG 5 and PPG 13 recommend the restriction of private car use to either housing or employment sites and improved accessibility through the encouragement of modes of transport other than the private car.

[Bessie1974]

The Ubuesque fallacy of apendix 436.

Man returns to dust...there is dust under my bed....therefore there is a man under my bed

Yeah right.

[rch]

Thanks, mynamehere!

first mate, despite what happens with the M&S, I think we still need to look at the bigger picture in the Dulwich area, as I believe that the piecemeal approach is only exacerbating problems.

Again, this is a long discussion, probably best for another thread, but I personally feel that a multilevel approach is what is needed.

On one hand, as a non-driver, I am well aware of the problems involved in navigating around the Dulwich area without a car. It can take me up to 45 minutes to travel across my ward, which takes around 5 minutes by car. I have to leave up to an hour between meetings (which drives people mad and inevitably reduces the number of meetings I can have in one day) and it can take up to an hour and a half for me to get to the council offices in Tooley St - a journey that can take between 20 and 30 minutes by car - or up to three hours round trip, detracting from the time I can spend on casework.

Our policies clearly state that, with fewer car parking spaces available, people will seek alternative modes of transport to the private car... but, in Dulwich this is difficult because public transport options are limited (we have been lobbying TfL for the past five years to get the 42 bus extended so that we have an east-west alternative to the 37, to no avail, and I have even looked into the possibility of launching our own local bus service) and the high demographic of mothers with small children and elderly people limits how many residents can cycle easily/safely.

Our policies recognise these local restrictions and allow for more car parking spaces than in the rest of the borough and I think there are still more creative options that can be explored - both in general and in this specific application.

It's a matter of public record that I voted against the latest CPZ in the consultation, clearly stating that officers should try to find more possible parking spaces to mitigate the displacement of cars around the station - and I personally still think there is more that we can do on this.

So, the short answer to your question, first mate, is that I think the community needs to work together to find a balance between positive growth on our high street and loss of amenity to the local residents. You would be amazed at how much power a community has when it speaks with one voice.

[DulwichFox]

It would seem staff have been told they will get 3 months notice of any changes.

As it stands, staff have yet to receive such notice.

So Iceland should be there 'till early December at least.

Fox.

[Lowlander]

-Heinz- Wrote:

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> Cars today are many times more efficient and clean

> than a decade or so a go. Progress in that field

> is constant and I am

>

> not sure residents of ED are in any danger of

> suffering from car induced pollution illnesses...

>

>

> On the other hand, lefty world saving do gooders

> driving 1960' VW Campervans are as green as a frog

> in a blender...So

>

> maybe we should vote to force them to offset their

> carbon footprint by digging us "normals" a shiny

> new underground car

>

> park under Goose Green. I recon the ratio of earth

> dug up, to tonnes of Aquarious free thinking

> Campervan induced carbon

>

> is about 1... So you know it makes sense.

Hmm...first off, all diesels are bad in town because of the minute particulates. Secondly, running an older car is arguably greener than driving a modern one, because of the effect the manufacturing has on the environment.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad we're not all driving round in Austin Princesses; but equally you'll find the average age of a car in ED is probably between 8-12 years or so.

[Ridgley]

Ok let?s get down to the nitty gritty, too much flannel on this thread are they or are they not replacing Iceland to M &S yes or no?

[Earl Aelfheah]

No.

[DulwichFox]

Maybe. but not for a least 3 Months.

Fox.

[Ridgley]

Crumps:(

[fuzzyboots]

I would be gutted to see Iceland go - and frankly, would be forced to use my car to drive more often to the nearest LIDL and Aldi. It saves me huge amounts on my family food bills in comparison to other local supermarkets. Whilst I LOVE M&S food, it is but a mere aspiration for me and mine to actually be able to afford it.

Or I could stop eating, I suppose.

[tiddles]

yes I too have just discovered iceland!! lots of the basics (and branded) at good prices.

[fuzzyboots]

Moreover, given all the recent media stories of escalating food prices to come this autumn/winter, Iceland will be the only place I can remotely afford (and even that at a push). Grumble, grumble, etc. And, for someone who is, frankly, pretty rubbish at mental arithmetic these days, it really helps me a lot that many of their prices are in ?s and .50s.... ;)

[northlondoner]

James Wrote:

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> Where do we go if we want to show our support FOR

> an M&S in ED?

Islington

[LondonMix]

Iceland deliver if you sincerely can't get to the one in Peckham

fuzzyboots Wrote:

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> Moreover, given all the recent media stories of

> escalating food prices to come this autumn/winter,

> Iceland will be the only place I can remotely

> afford (and even that at a push). Grumble,

> grumble, etc. And, for someone who is, frankly,

> pretty rubbish at mental arithmetic these days, it

> really helps me a lot that many of their prices

> are in ?s and .50s.... ;)

[fuzzyboots]

They deliver from New Cross. Not from Peckham, I believe. At least, that's what the sign in the East Dulwich shop says.

[LondonMix]

That's right. I said you could get delivery if you can't physically go to the Peckham branch should the ED branch close down.

[fuzzyboots]

Does that not mean I have to go to New Cross though?! Or have I (quite probably!) misunderstood how their delivery system operates? Peckham is actually quite tricky because I run on such a tight timetable in order not to have to drag the kids shopping with me (for my sanity and purse's sake...) and I can't honestly envisage me walking their with my glamorous shopping trolley (and back). Or lumbering around on a bus with my goodies!

[Jeremy]

fuzzyboots Wrote:

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> Or have I (quite probably!)

> misunderstood how their delivery system operates?

Hit the nail on the head.

[fuzzyboots]

Ah - well I shall investigate the deliveries from NX then! Thanks Jeremy :)

[fuzzyboots]

Hmmm - have just investigated and I am correct. You have to go to the store and make your purchases and then book a delivery. Rather defeats most of the object for me, since quite frankly, I'm not up for travelling to NX to leave my shopping behind...! (http://www.iceland.co.uk/home-delivery/frequently-asked-questions)

[Jeremy]

You're kidding me! They don't offer online shopping? Surely that can't be right?

(if it is, I apologise for my previous comment...)

[Gidget]

They used to do the home delivery service from ED I think, never used it but someone told me that she did. But yes, you have to go into the store and purchase first.

[DulwichFox]

A solution to this little Conundrum...

Iceland Stays...

M&S replaces the Co-op.

Solved...

Next problem please.

Fox.

[Gidget]

Good job Dulwich Fox.