Revised new - M&S planning application to replace Iceland..

[Richy86]

First mate I will indeed read it.

[cle]

Would have much preferred a Waitrose by the station compared to the planned Morrison's. It's seriously skanky there currently.

The new one at Vauxhall would probably fit in the East Dulwich deli premises...just saying.

Iceland is not for my tastes, but I do appreciate it serves a purpose for others. And the M&S plans were too much and detrimental on balance.

[KalamityKel]

What does age have to do with the proposed planning application? Or are you simply commenting generally rather than to this specific issue?

[first mate]

Richy, yes have a read.

Those pesky older folk eh, always in the way of bright young things.... Soylent Green appearing on local menus soon.

[Richy86]

Kalamitykel - my age was brought into the equation earlier in the thread I think to undermine my right to an opinion.

[BrandNewGuy]

Richy86 Wrote:

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> ED's population is getting younger and more

> affluent.

Until interest rates go up, then they'll age rather quickly.

[spider69]

Richy86 Wrote:

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> Kalamitykel - my age was brought into the equation

> earlier in the thread I think to undermine my

> right to an opinion.

Not to undermine your right to opinion but to bring to your attention that there are others

who find that Iceland is an important port of call for provisions. As you get older you actually might find these people exist and live in ED and do not have the expediture to frequent the kind of store you are desperate to transplant in.

"Those pesky older folk eh, always in the way of bright young things.... Soylent Green appearing on local menus soon."

Unable to accept change, I would have thought they have accepted more change in their lifetimes than you or I and moved forward and will not be broken by a loss of a shop. Plently disappeared in their lifetimes sometimes over night

I can afford to shop where ever my fancy takes me but I am aware of others and find it amusing that these shops have to be there to prop up the current overpriced house purchases and I would imagine a source of worry in some quarters to fund them without renting out rooms. When interest rates go up the curtain will be lifted.

Hi ho off to the pound shop. No hangups, life is grand

[James]

I am always amazed when people are surprised to discover that we live in a capitalist country where (shock! horror!) areas go up and down and similarly, businesses succeed and fail.

Trying to preserve everything in aspic is akin to Prince Charles' ridiculous tirades about modern architecture.

The arguments on here are utterly pointless. We will soon know if Iceland is popular enough to survive on Lordship Lane. People will vote with their feet, and that's all that matters.

[Louisa]

The usual pretentious garbage puked across our screens from the lovely EDF forumites. Lots of assumptions about age, wealth and affluence. What one person finds skanky another may find an important lifeline. Also, removing all other variables and concentrating purely on the 'application' as first mate says, we can see the plan was rejected for good reason initially because of the detrimental effect it would have on a residential road already under strain from parking issues. Think before you type please.

Louisa.

[Siduhe]

Does anyone have an link to hand for the report that the residents of Chesterfield Grove put together for the first application by/on behalf of the owner/M&S? As someone who doesn't live immediately off Lordship Lane and initially thought "ooh, M&S" it was a real eye opener for me. It's not about what shop ends up there but whether the development being proposed is suitable for the site. There are some real issues with what is actually being proposed here (rights of way, access, damage to vehicles, delivery times) which the developer doesn't seem willing to address. Worth reading imo - will see if I can find it.

[Otta]

Richy86 Wrote:

> You can honestly say you would prefer the eye sore

> that is Iceland over a Waitrose or M&S?

They're not knocking the building down.

[Otta]

http://lh3.ggpht.com/QuBLv4KARWSjDoIfvOpKx3jWu8xIlHJdL2344Jkw5g-ZZlXCW3dur_J1pIpho2kEIDJiDs1Hq6x1xuEo=s320

[XIX]

Love your post Louisa!

Can't believe you are accusing others of making assumptions about age/wealth/affluence, given the bile you normally spout about middle classes/yummies/aspirationals etc etc - hilarious!

And as for 'think before you type' - tell me, have you ever applied that to yourself?

[Otta]

I think Louisa thinks about every post before she types actually.

[Mick Mac]

Otta Wrote:

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> I think Louisa thinks about every post before she

> types actually.

and thinks what the responder is going to think and types accordingly

[Jeremy]

Like a great snooker player... always three shots ahead.

[clockworkorange]

Word to the wise, the moment you accuse planning officers and planning committee members of being in league with the big bad developes, they stop listening to you.

These things take time. Clearly there's a lot to be discussed in this case and perhaps you should be thankful that your officers are taking their time to reach a decision.

The iceland is a food store. what is proposed to replace it is a food store. it is acceptable in principle. it's only a matter of time.

[first mate]

The objection is not to another food store it is to the development in its current form. This fact has been repeated here ad nauseam yet some posters still seem to believe this is an anti brand lobby. I don't know what more can be said to clarify. Planners do not decide on the brand of store but on the nature, scale and legality of a proposed development.

[LD929]

Any news on this? shouldn't this have boon decided by now?

[derwentgrove]

I understand that this application will be determined at a meeting on 22 July. Officers have recommended that the application be *granted* with an (as yet unspecified) unilateral undertaking. However the full report is to follow on the Southwark website in the next 48 hours.

[Louisa]

Update- it seems that M&S will be coming to the area. Rumour is the council have already decided to approve the application based on the new delivery times. If true what are the thoughts of residents, particularly those on Chesterfield who will be most affected?

Louisa.

[the-e-dealer]

no the Council has not 'already decided' The decision will be made at the planning meeting. If they have already decided they are liable to prosecution.

[Louisa]

OK the council have not yet made a decision. However, if the case officers were to recommend that the plans be granted planning permission, then it's more likely than unlikely that the sub-committee will say yes, or am I being naive?

Louisa.

[the-e-dealer]

recommendations are based on the borough plan, planning law etc etc. The members take these into account but its not unusual for a committee to go against the recommendation.

[Louisa]

When you say 'not unusual' statistically what sort of percentages are we talking here that go for/against based on the recommendation of case officers? This has been a long drawn out, and somewhat polarised example of a planning case which has certainly divided opinion. If it is *Granted*, where does this leave the residents of Chesterfield? Do they have a right to appeal? I hope so.

Louisa.