Revised new - M&S planning application to replace Iceland..

[first mate]

Angelina, sorry, didn't pick up on the sarky bit as many posters in the past have made similar observations and meant them.

At least you will then be aware of some of the very real problems with the build. Not least, the giant displaced bollard at the entrance. Displaced, because there is not enough room for large vehicles to manoeuvre, a fact planning at first upheld but in later applications decided to turn a blind eye to.

[James Barber]

I've just been forwarded an email received by a resident complaining to the M&S CEO about inconsiderate building on site.

First they say they plan to open the new store July 2016.

Second that as they're not on site the developer is responsible.

[Earl Aelfheah]

Thanks for the update James

[edhistory]

James Barber Wrote:

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> I've just been forwarded an email received by a

> resident complaining to the M&S CEO about

> inconsiderate building on site.

>

> First they say they plan to open the new store

> July 2016.

> Second that as they're not on site the developer

> is responsible.

We wash our hands.

[fazer71]

edhistory Wrote:

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> James Barber Wrote:

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>

> We wash our hands.

Hardly the building planning construction etc process has F all to do with M&S they are the future tenant is all !

If the complaint was about their products then you'd have a point. Bad bread etc .

*fazer shakes head rolls eyes ,,, in a wtf are some people thinking kinda way*

[James Barber]

Hi fazer71,

To be fair to M&S they did add that newer to July when they're fitting out they would expect to be responding to any such problems themselves.

[intexasatthe moment]

Copied from firstmate's post of Jan 5 on James Barber's "can I help thread " and moved here at Admin'e request .

"James, to be clear, do the developers at the M&S site now have permission to build 10 flats?

Do they have permission to build two penthouses on a fourth storey (their appears to be structures in place for a fourth storey)?

Can you confirm status of each?

If permissions for above are not in place what actions will Planning take? If the Developers go ahead and build without permissions and in contravention of planning policy, what will be done?

Can you also confirm if permission for a sub station is in process/ likely to be granted? If not, what happens next?

If we find out that large delivery vehicles cannot turn to exit from the site, but instead have to reverse out, what actions will be taken? Multiple planning applications were passed on the basis that there would be room for vehicles to turn on site.

You advised residents to write letters of objection to M&S. Have you, or will you, be writing to M&S CEO on residents behalf?

I am sure you will agree that the above are important questions, we cannot accept that developers are free to operate in direct contravention of planning policy. "

[James Barber]

Hi first mate,

Why do I think they're building 10 flats contrary to planning permissions.

Heber School did a radio documentary about it. This was reported in Southwark News as the builder talked about building 10 flats and apparently can be heard in the interview - http://www.heberprimaryschool.com/hrad/

[Earl Aelfheah]

I can't follow this. Have they broken planning permission? If so, what happens next?

[DulwichFox]

Revised new - M&S planning application to replace Iceland..

Posted by James Barber 09 May, 2012 08:20

After 207,711 views and 2,124 posts... and waiting 4 years..

I really cannot help thinking that when this place eventually opens, it's going to be a real Anti-climax..

DulwichFox

[mikeb]

The Heber School broadcast is excellent - a great example of imaginative teaching and enterprising kids.

The site manager Andrew Wicks (Proma Construction) does indeed confirm 10 accommodation units in total across floors 1, 2, and 3. He seems to be quite certain when saying this. He also says he has two clients, one being M&S and the other being a "private client" for the accommodation.

The kids were not able to find out the landlord. According to the Land Registry, it is Duncan Watson, who runs a property development company called Dunward Properties. Mr Watson seems to have been a property developer for about 15 years since he was 24, and owns a handful of properties across south and west London.

[intexasatthe moment]

Planning seems to be for 8 flats ? http://planbuild.southwark.gov.uk:8190/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=_STHWR_DCAPR_9563213

Or have I missed something ?

[Mark]

Just to make it even more of an anti-climax, from 9 years ago:

"M&S is coming!!" Posted by Filiz Mustafa 20 December, 2006

http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?5,1071,1091

[James Barber]

Hi ITATM,

Numerous applications and even the odd successful appeal.

Permission granted to extend the store and build 8 flats where the offices are.

Separate permission applied for to turn the current offices into lots of mini offices each with a bathroom and 2 apartments on a new third floor.

The developer appears now to be building an amalgam of those two applications. I have highlight this to Planning Enforcement and will follow up.

[intexasatthe moment]

Thanks James .Have you got the planning ref.for the third floor developmement ? I can't find it .

[intexasatthe moment]

Ah ,ok ,got it .Minor planning application .http://planbuild.southwark.gov.uk/documents/?casereference=15/AP/1186&system=DC

Gone to appeal .

[intexasatthe moment]

Not obvious to me but presume the appeal resulted in permission for the third floor and extra flats .

Very obvious how critical the developer was of Southwark planners.

[intexasatthe moment]

Although looking on line again the appeal decision is given as "appeal made against non determination " .

Is that Southwark appealing against a non determination based on them not meeting deadlines ?

[Siduhe]

Not all the documents in relation to the appeal appear to be available. I can't see Southwark's statement of case for the appeal - just the developer's response to it. But the process looks to be that the developer appealed on grounds of non-determination (i.e. Southwark didn't meet the 8 week deadline), Southwark is objecting to the developer's appeal, and the planning inspector recently visited the site as part of considering the appeal.

[intexasatthe moment]

Thank you Sidhue ,that sounds right .

And as though no decision yet on the planning for the 2 extra flats ?

[fazer71]

This thread is a great example of how useless or planning system is.

Shows why there's a lack of homes in the UK .

And why we have sky high prices.

[Siduhe]

intexasatthe moment Wrote:

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> And as though no decision yet on the planning for

> the 2 extra flats ?

That's my reading of the info on the planning portal too.

[Zebedee Tring]

The developers are appealing against Southwark's failure to determine the application before the statutory deadline.

[Jeremy]

fazer71 Wrote:

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> Shows why there's a lack of homes in the UK .

>

> And why we have sky high prices.

Really? I thought the main issue was about a slippery developer trying to circumvent requirements for affordable housing provision.

[DulwichFox]

No shortage of Housing Stock in the U.K. Just too many people..

DulwichFox