Planning Application for 1 Lordship Lane

[Freddy1929]

I have just received a letter from Southwark Council regarding a planning application for 1 Lordship Lane, I think this is East Dulwich Tavern, having looked on Southwark planning applications on line, there are no documents to view, the letter says the consultation period started 10/3/13, on line it says 1/3/13.

The planning application is for extensions at 1st and 2nd floor levels fronting on to Spurling Rd, new mansard roof at 3rd floor level and second floor fronting Lordship Lane and alterations to internal layout to provide additional 7 bed and breakfast rooms, 12 in total.

My concern is what are the plans for dealing with the waste, currently there are two large paladins situated on the pavement in Spurling Rd, often overflowing with bottles, which makes it practically impossible for pedestrians to walk on the pavement, 12 bed and breakfast rooms would obviously increase the waste produced, where is it going to be stored?

I have emailed Southwark asking for copies of the plans, in the meantime I'm sure that EDF members will have something to say.......

[Michael Palaeologus]

Yes.

We need more B&B accommodation in the area. Good for the EDT.

[Freddy1929]

Hi

I have no objection to more B&B accommodation in the area, I myself live in a very small one bedroom flat, and when I have any visitors I am always looking for good quality B&B accommodation reasonably priced. I just want to know how they are going to deal with the waste.

[stephen509]

Good idea from the EDT. Not sure how much sleep the B&B will offer with a pub below but could be useful.

[Worker]

Yes to more B&B accom.

But I agree with Freddy re the waste - it is always a mess in Spurling Road. The EDT just need to take a little more care.

[Freddy1929]

Just had an email from Southwark Council to say that the plans for the application will be scanned and uploaded today, so I shall look forward to seeing the Environmental Impact Assessment.

[Toldyouso]

I also agree that more B&B is a good idea but share the concerns about the waste. I don't pass by often but when I do it is invariably a mess - EDT need to keep more on top of it, particularly if they are expanding their operation.

[James Barber]

You make good points.

I'll also raise this with planning officers.

[pmcmullan]

If you have concerns about this application, you might find it useful to know the basis on which planning officers make their decision. We are just in correspondence with them over how they decided to grant an application on Barry Road and they take into account various issues that are not obvious from the documentation supplied to us.

[Freddy1929]

There is a paragraph (very small!!) in the planning application regarding waste, and it is basically saying the continued use of three large bins placed on the pavement in Spurling Rd, no real acknowledgement of an increase in waste that this development will produce.

Anyone with a pram, or in a wheelchair, will have to go into the road to get past these bins, and cyclist think they have problems in Spurling rd!!

I haven't got an objection to the development of a B & B establishment, but dealing with waste is so often forgotten with developments. I know this may seem radical but could the bins not been placed in the road, yes I know this would mean the loss of a couple of parking spaces,(told you it was radical!!) at least it would mean a clear path for pedestrians and disabled!

[DrinkingBuddy]

Couldn't they remove the three benches from the roundabout end of the pub and build a wooden structure to contain their bins on the pavement instead? There would obviously be no impact on pedestrians as the area is already blocked by the benches.

[Dopamine1979]

But where will the smokers sit?

[jable]

Hi all, I am a resident of Spurling Road and I'm afraid I do not agree that it would be a good idea. Not only will there be 7 B & B rooms but looking at the plans, it appears there will be a further two trade/restaurant areas on the first floor. The extension would mean the building extending quite a bit further along Spurling road with a first and second floor extension and a further two trade areas on the first floor, one of them possibly being a restaurant. One of them will be on the Spurling Road side. Noise is always an issue for us as residents, from both people leaving the premises late at night and when music events are happening and that is without the problems and noise that will occur during the construction.

[KoolBananas]

Out of interest how much pub/road noise is heard in Spurling Road?

I mean at such a busy section of the road it must be fairly noisy right? Does that meet the noise levels the council consider acceptable?

[jable]

It can be very noisy at times. when people leave the pub they often walk home via Spurling or park here. They tend to be very vocal where they have been drinking whether it be laughing or shouting to each other. Music levels are controlled by the council but this is still loud enough on occasion to stop us from sleeping until it has finished.

[UncleBen]

Any B&B, restaurant, pub extension of the EDT will negatively impact on residents of Spurling etc in terms of noise, refuse & parking. The whole block will be dominated by the place.

[Michael Palaeologus]

I have every sympathy with people who live near a pub or bar. However there is the age-old observation that the EDT was there when you moved in and will still be there when you move away.

Its a big pub, you couldnt have missed it.

The EDT isnt proposing anything that will increase noise or indeed increase rubbish significantly and I would surprised in the extreme if people staying there expected to park anywhere near the place. Its a few B&B rooms, not a late licence.

Lets keep things in proportion.

[UncleBen]

There is a difference between living/moving next door to an existing pub that opens from 11-11 daily for example, and then the pub extends opening hours and turns into a hotel etc. One cannot move to a nuisance, however a nuisance can be created! I would suggest that the EDT keep their plans in proportion!

[Penguin68]

Pubs are shutting every day in England at the moment - the ones that are successful are finding new models of operation, and new sources of revenue.

Good B&B accommodation in ED is pretty scarce - certainly - particularly where there are more multi-occupancy houses (with thus fewer 'spare' rooms than previously) - demand for rooms for visitors is rising.

At the other end of LL the Harvester has been empty and closed for months, with no obvious tenants in the offing - I would hate the same thing to happen to the EDT if its plans are blocked by those who want to live in a quiet backwater having bought in a commercial area.

By all means raise issues about noise and dirt (although actually a noisy B&B isn't one which is going to keep customers, people in 'hotels' quite like to sleep) so that they can be addressed, but don't block for blocking's sake.

I used to live in a very lively part of central London on a very vibrant street - yes the noise could at times be noticeable, but I rarely found my sleep disturbed (the rock band that moved in next door and practiced drumming through the night notwithstanding!). And for people worried that their children will be woken - my experience is that once they are asleep a marching band going through their bedrooms wouldn't have roused them (different if they are ill, but then abosolute silence doesn't seem to get them off either).

[UncleBen]

Yes Penguin, but pubs are not shutting down in ED, it is the opposite so moot point. Harvester-perfect for a small hotel or B&B - not extending an existing pub negatively impacting on residents.

[Penguin68]

but pubs are not shutting down in ED

Magnolia? Harvester? The former hotel and pub on the corner of Langton & Wood Vale, now flats? And a number have changed hands/ formats, suggesting that the previous tenants/ owners weren't 'getting it right'.

[UncleBen]

Point taken Penguin, but i would suggest the pubs you have mentioned were poorly managed. The EDT does not need to extend nor diversify for survival-it's packed most nights of the week, and so it must be to wring every last penny out.

[indiepanda]

These days I think any well managed pub will be trying to "wring every last penny out" rather than go the way of the poorly managed pubs.

Anyway, judging by the number of posts on here asking for where to put family / friends up in SE22, there is a demand - and isn't that what business is all about - meeting customers needs?

Provided the concerns re waste disposal etc are dealt with, I think it's a great idea. Good luck to them.

[UncleBen]

Yes, fill a nieche by all means, but not to the detriment of long standing residents, so in proportion please. My conservative guess is 10k takings per week for EDT, and thats not counting their other pubs, so wringing pennies would be greed and not survival.

[Michael Palaeologus]

What they are doing is being entrepreneurial and using the assets that they have. There is nothing wrong with this.

How is having overnight guests going to increase noise? Its not. If anything there will be a greater need to control noise as they will have paying guests in the upper floor rooms.