Peckham vs Hipsters

[LondonMix]

Hipsters (at least what we mean by that in the US) are seen as a new breed that have emerged in the last 20 years or so. There have always been cool / art-house kids. When someone says ?hipster? to me though what that usually means is a lack of authenticity. A very shallow follower of a mish-mash of trends without any real depth of passion or understanding. Hipsters are obsessed with the appearance and image of things but lack any true conviction or appreciation of anything. Pop culture (to some extent) has always been like that, so there?s nothing new there. What's unusual is they take themselves to be making some sort of counter-culture statement. That and the worship of everything retro. In the past being counter-culture was about expressing a new / fringe aesthetic or philosophy not some asinine regurgitation of the past.

[Otta]

Thats how I think of it.

The art school students Rosie talks about are what I probably would have called crusty (not a negative term at the time).

It's all labels innit.

[RosieH]

Definitely not crusty - more Pulp and St Martins and fanzines than whirlygig and dogs on strings.

and LondonMix, how on earth do you determine a lack of authenticity just by looking at someone? And if that's the criterion for judgment, then those old school art house types are just as guilty - have you never listened to Common People?

[Salsaboy]

I reckon Peckham is the new Peckham.

[LondonMix]

Rosie H, generally you can't. But if I see someone that owns a single speed bike that they've put breaks on...

You usually can tell when you speak to them and you realise they have no idea about anything.

[Nigello]

The word 'hipster' has been popularised by a small but powerful group of London journos/musos/fashonistas who, wanting to burnish their impeccable Ny-Lon credentials, have imported it. Five years ago or less, 'hipster' was really only used in the US. What's wrong with the lovely, old-fashioned and instantly recognisable '(Shoreditch) Twat' or 'trendy'? I loathe the word (as I do 'cool' and 'guys'.) When The Daily Mail and its ilk use 'hipster' you know its time is well past its prime.

[nashoi]

[woodrot]

LondonMix Wrote:

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> Hipsters (at least what we mean by that in the US)

> are seen as a new breed that have emerged in the

> last 20 years or so. There have always been cool

> / art-house kids. When someone says ?hipster? to

> me though what that usually means is a lack of

> authenticity. A very shallow follower of a

> mish-mash of trends without any real depth of

> passion or understanding. Hipsters are obsessed

> with the appearance and image of things but lack

> any true conviction or appreciation of anything.

> Pop culture (to some extent) has always been like

> that, so there?s nothing new there. What's

> unusual is they take themselves to be making some

> sort of counter-culture statement. That and

> the worship of everything retro. In the past

> being counter-culture was about expressing a new /

> fringe aesthetic or philosophy not some asinine

> regurgitation of the past.

or to summarise, wankers.

[Jah Lush]

Most people in their desperate quest to be different and original end up looking like everyone else.

[maxxi]

What were all those Covent Gdn dwellers in the 80s who all (male and female) had old style wedgie hairdos & wore waxed DMs, black 501s with thin sweaters (tucked in!) and RayBans called? (apart from cunts woody)

[LondonLogCo]

maxxi Wrote:

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> What were all those Covent Gdn dwellers in the 80s

> who all (male and female) had old style wedgie

> hairdos & wore waxed DMs, black 501s with thin

> sweaters (tucked in!) and RayBans called? (apart

> from @#$%& woody)

Erm.....

Bros ?

[????]

MUDS - cos they all went to the Mud Club, they listened to -"rare groove" and Washington Go Go. They also wore chevked shits (often grey and black), thankfully Acid House came along and swept them away.

[????]

PS, I Amy have worn a black and grey checked shirt and DM shoes....and white socks but my wedge went in about 1983

[Parkdrive]

Jah Lush Wrote:

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> Most people in their desperate quest to be

> different and original end up looking like

> everyone else.

True dat

[southmark]

So, you're back to the 'Flip' thread.....

[MrBen]

The best way to bust a hipster businesses cool is to turn up in smart pinstripes for coffee with a copy of the FT. This is known as the "false 3rd wave" maneuver and will have them scuttling off to Catford in no time.

[woodrot]

Todays hipsters are this centuries hippies- all supposed style and no substance. Like an Ocado version of them new romantic filth. Stamp out the hipster cockroaches and their fixies now.

[Jah Lush]

You sound like fascist Woodrot. People should be free to express themselves in whatever way they want sartorially even if they do look a bit of a twat.

[woodrot]

reclaim Peckham for the Peckish

[RosieH]

woodrot's just jealous because his mum still buys his pants from Avanti at C&A.

Face it losers, hipsters look cooler than you and get all the girls.

You just look like their dads.

Mondeos forever, YEAH!

[LondonLogCo]

There's nowt stranger than a bearded naked man.

[RosieH]

Haven't you read The Joy of Sex?

[LondonLogCo]

RosieH Wrote:

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> Haven't you read The Joy of Sex?

Oh yes, maybe that's what I was thinking of.

I'm in two minds now.

[*Bob*]

Read it? That's 'him' in it.

[maxxi]

On a corner of Hoxton st. two nights ago I encountered two young heavily bearded chaps who would probably be hipster/lumbo types when fully clothed but they were each wearing tight, shiny, matching shorts and vests over their skinny frames and were sweating a lot, they looked like athlete hostages who had been chained to a radiator for a month.

"That's your fastest 5k ever" said one, "Great" said the other.

*shudders*