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"For goodness sake even the Green party says it is counter productive"


As Waseley has pointed out, this is not a true reflection of Caroline Lucas' views quoted in the BBC article. The following are extracts from the article where she is directly quoted:


"I am sorry that it has come to this and that this is the only way that people feel they can make their voices heard."


...


"Personally for example, if you are going to try and stop Tube trains moving around I think that is counterproductive.


"I think that being on the streets of London has been shown to be a way of capturing people's imaginations.


"People have joined those protests who have never protested before. They are doing it because they know we have to leave new fossil fuels in the ground.


"The International Energy Agency says that, the latest IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) report says that, and yet this government and this energy strategy... is foreseeing getting out even more oil and gas from the North Sea, that is frankly immoral and the UN general secretary said that is frankly both morally and economically mad."


Note she only believes attempting to stop tube trains is counter productive.

ruffers Wrote:

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> Wouldn't surprise me if this ended up as a much

> more permanent thing than originally proposed.



Especially is we get a vegan pret locally

https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?5,2270759

Jenijenjen Wrote:

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> "For goodness sake even the Green party says it is

> counter productive"

>

> As Waseley has pointed out, this is not a true

> reflection of Caroline Lucas' views quoted in the

> BBC article. The following are extracts from the

> article where she is directly quoted:

>

> "I am sorry that it has come to this and that this

> is the only way that people feel they can make

> their voices heard."

>

> ...

>

> "Personally for example, if you are going to try

> and stop Tube trains moving around I think that is

> counterproductive.

>

> "I think that being on the streets of London has

> been shown to be a way of capturing people's

> imaginations.

>

> "People have joined those protests who have never

> protested before. They are doing it because they

> know we have to leave new fossil fuels in the

> ground.

>

> "The International Energy Agency says that, the

> latest IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate

> Change) report says that, and yet this government

> and this energy strategy... is foreseeing getting

> out even more oil and gas from the North Sea, that

> is frankly immoral and the UN general secretary

> said that is frankly both morally and economically

> mad."

>

> Note she only believes attempting to stop tube

> trains is counter productive.



Given Sadiq's and Caroline Lucas' comments do you think they got wind of some of the tactics XR were planning to employ this week and fired a warning shot across their bows?


They have targeted the tube before (remember when one of the XR protestors jumped on top of a tube and was sumarrilarily removed from it by builders who didn't take too kindly to him trying to stop them getting paid for they day!).


I think this is the first time the Green's have accused XR of counter productive actions so something is happening. They are probably seeing that the extreme measures XR employs is having a negative impact in focus groups and polling.

I'm so kicking myself for not bringing this up when a local Labour candidate knocked on my door tonight! Was so distracted by neighbours shouting and screaming but managed to let her know my views on the local LTNs and other issues in the area. I drove past Peckham Rye on Sunday and was dismayed to see all the tents and stalls on site but also the local toilet facilities! Is this a Southwark Labour initiative?

You misread the post and misrepresented the poster. Time to put that cognitive bias away.


rahrahrah Wrote:

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> Shouting and screaming at councillors about

> attempts to reduce car use and people raising

> awareness of imminent climate breakdown *slow

> handclap*

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> Shouting and screaming at councillors about

> attempts to reduce car use and people raising

> awareness of imminent climate breakdown *slow

> handclap*


Rah x3

I assume you're giving yourself the clap for deliberately misreading Hammerman's post.

wolis Wrote:

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> In the past few years my wife and I have been on

> quite a few marches - anti war, anti brexit , pro

> NHS etc. All were done with many thousands of

> fellow marchers and all done in good spirits. We

> booed outside Downing St. to protest against Bush

> on his London visit and cheered when a Brexit vote

> went against the goverment while were in

> Parliament Square. Did any of these marches have

> the slighest effect on the powers to be. NO.

> Britain still invaded Iraq, and Afganistan and

> left the EU and what mistakes they have turned out

> to be. If only Tony, George or Boris had asked us

> two for advice! Extinction Rebellion want to

> bring London to a standstill, something the IRA

> failed to do during their campaigns or indeed, the

> Luftwaffe. I've no doubt a lot have genuine and

> worthwhile intentions and in many ways we support

> them, but I think they would have more effect if

> they blocked Westminster, for example, and

> prevented the people in power from going about

> their daily work, but causing a few local traffic

> problems annoys a small number of people and

> wastes police time. But any lasting effect - NO.


It would have been even more tragic if those events had gone on with no demonstrations.

It is teeny... and it will be gone in a couple of weeks....whereas very rich people making lots and lots of money by polluting lakes, rivers, sea and sky will continue year on year until the earth is rather exhausted. I quite liked their 'green-washing' demo at Lloyds - maybe we can do the same for green washing at a local political level...
Can't believe so much fuss about a few tents in the park. Wish there was as much attention on this forum given to the problems that our campers are publicising.I think it's time to move on and find something else to moan about.

Peckhampam Wrote:

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> I just saw the camp for the first time - it is

> teeny



Perhaps they are still chained up to other peoples property and have not returned to the nest to rest?

Heartblock - workaday people also pollute and waste. To claim it?s a millionaires only problem is nonsense. Hundreds of thousands of car trips under a mile are made daily in this country. Tons of food are wasted. Excess amounts of tat - imported often - is bought by millions of people on electricity hungry, often upgraded mobiles and tablets. Millions of dogs and cats are bred and sold, each needing meat-based food to sustain them.

But Southwark are paying for toilets to be put up on the common for XR to go and demonstrate in the city of London to cause damage to worldwide trades!


Meanwhile Southwark under Labour have raised millions of pounds during the lockdown and beyond in the road fines they have imposed on local people. Local shops, carers, elderly, disabled people have all been affected by the road closures they have put in place.


One needs to ask what are Southwark under Labour doing with the money?

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