Dog attacked my child (St Aiden's Road) (Lounged)

[Dulwich_ Park_ Fairy]

I think you choosing to single out certain breed owners shows a lot more about your fears and not necessarily other peoples. EVERY SINGLE DOG OWNER should show social responsibility. As for having dogs in urban area`s, its been happening for years. Considering how many people/dogs there are in our cities, all in all apart from the few incidents that are heard of (and everyone of them just as important and tragic as any others)

Bloody hell you still don't get what I'm on about. Firstly, I'm not scared of dogs, my family always had Alsatians when I was a kid. They were all soft as shite but even so we would never have exercised them in a park crowded full of children. The reason for this is that we realised not everyone likes big dogs and not everyone knew they were brought up as family pets, in a nutshell people would have felt apprehensive with them being around, which directly impacts on their enjoyment of the time spent at the park. Basically, we recognised that it was unfair on other people, whether their fears were real or not. I suggested that if you want to keep a dog in a densely populated area and let it off the lead in the park then choose a breed which doesn't scare the crap out of people (particularily those with children), or at least choose one that isn't associated with an aggressive, screw-you, my dog's bad etc culture. Then people might not immediately assume that you are a selfish "chav".

things seem to tick along quite nicely. Not everyone is an animal lover and we are all entitled to ours opinion, not everyone wants to have children but the people who choose to also need to show a social responsibility and thats ALL parents

Very few people are scared of children. To my knowledge there haven't been breeds of children banned. In the event that a child bites another child it doesn't normally take 5-6 adults to drag it off. What a stupid comment to make in light of the subject of this thread.

[Keef]

Dulwich_ Park_ Fairy Wrote:

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> sitting in a beer garden very popular with young families.

This has just made me think of one of my real hates. W@nkers who tie their dogs up outside a pub and go in for a pint! These people need such a kicking!

[ClareC]

Keef Wrote:

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> Dulwich_ Park_ Fairy Wrote:

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> > sitting in a beer garden very popular with young

> families.

>

>

> This has just made me think of one of my real

> hates. W@nkers who tie their dogs up outside a pub

> and go in for a pint! These people need such a

> kicking!

reminds me of a story I heard the other week ! I went to have a facial and the therapist was late with a previous appointment, her reason, the girl was upset because she had lost her dog. I assumed the dog had died and was sympathetic. Later it transpired the dog had been taken from her garden, even worse I thought. It then came out that she had only had the dog 10 weeks, having found it outside a pub in a Louis Vuitton handbag?!?!?!?!?!?

At least it wasnt tied up ;-)

[Nero]

So she nicked the dog from outside a pub? Classy lady.

[ClareC]

My thoughts exactly! Its Karma when your stolen dog is stolen

I hope the poor dog is OK and has a good home now but as an aside I want to know what happend to the LV handbag ;-) I will ask next time I go >:D<

[Mscrawthew]

So, as an Alsation owner you will know what it`s like for the whole breed to called nervous, vicious and untrustworthy ( A very quick google of Alsation attacks of which there are quite a few) When in fact your own personal experience tells you it isn`t true. As not every Stafford owner let their dogs roam free and most are responsible dog owners, is it ok for me to say that all Alsations should not be allowed a free run because I am very nervous about the fact that they could "turn" at any moment?

As for your ridiculous comment:

You know very well that within the whole of this discussion I have been talking about responsibilty. Whether you are a parent or a dog owner, I never compared those statements in the same context, You did. Yes, ALL dogs should be on a lead when near other people (Child or Adult) which is why there are designated areas for dogs to freerun. Yet again, it is the dog that is blamed and not the owner. What do you suggest is done regarding all the irresponible OWNERS?

[kford]

Muzzle them.

[Mscrawthew]

kford Wrote:

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> Muzzle them.

Yep, and the dogs >:D<

[ClareC]

and the children ;-)

[Nero]

Back to the dognapper. I do hope you won't be giving any more of your money to her. She sounds like a real piece of work. I'd get someone else to push my cuticles back.

[ClareC]

It wasnt the the therapist that stole the dog, it was her previous client......

The therapist thought it was wrong to take a dog from outside a pub too! She did show misguided sympathy to the customer concerned though (6)

[Dulwich_ Park_ Fairy]

So, as an Alsation owner you will know what it`s like for the whole breed to called nervous, vicious and untrustworthy ( A very quick google of Alsation attacks of which there are quite a few) When in fact your own personal

experience tells you it isn`t true.

I'm not an alsatian owner, by choosing to live in a city I've forfeited my right to keep such a dog. Also, what my personal experience tells me is irrelevant, its a fact that lots people are scared of alsatians and it would be unfair of me to impose one on them. Its very different if you live in a more rural environment.

As not every Stafford owner let their dogs roam free and most are responsible dog owners, is it ok for me to say that all Alsations should not be allowed a free run because I am very nervous about the fact that they could "turn" at any moment?

I think thats very fair. Why should people have that kind of anxiety forced upon them whether the threat is real or perceived? You don't have to keep a potentially dangerous breed of dog. Why should ones personal preference run roughshod over other people's quality of life?

As for your ridiculous comment:

What was ridiculous? On a thread about a child injured by a dog you started to rail against irresponsible parents as if there was some equivalency. I felt it was very insensitive.

[Mscrawthew]

Not at all, it was the way you choose to read it. ALL DOGS ARE POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS Not just the ones you don`t happen to like!

[ChavWivaLawDegree]

I think what happened to the little girl was terrible but why should every bull breed owner, or even dog owner have to put up with the tirade of dog-hating/chav-hating comments whenever something awful like this happens. It reminds me of the kind of prejudice spewed out against young black men (must be muggers) and asians (must be terrorists) that most people would automatically recognise as abhorrent.

Why should I make choices in my life to appease/placate/pander to people who have fears of whatever I'm making a choice about? So because certain people are scared/unfamiliar with a certain class of people or breed of dog, I should then avoid adopting clothing/mannerisms etc to appear to be the same as them and seem un-threatening in my familiarity?

No thanks.

[Cassius]

Just as a debating point - is there really a need for anyone to own a dog in London?

[ChavWivaLawDegree]

Is there really a need for anyone to own a 4x4 in London?

Or a car for that matter if they are not elderly or disabled?

[Dulwich_ Park_ Fairy]

Why should I make choices in my life to appease/placate/pander to people who have fears of whatever I'm making a choice about? So because certain people are scared/unfamiliar with a certain class of people or breed of dog, I should then avoid adopting clothing/mannerisms etc to appear to be the same as them and seem un-threatening in my familiarity?

No but don't complain too much when people make assumptions about you based on these things. If I see someone with a Staffie or a Pitbull I immediately assume they are a twat who just wants to look like a big guy. Likewise if I someone with a red setter and wearing a barbour jacket I assume that they are called Piers and their kids go to Dulwich College. We are all full of these little prejudices.

[david_carnell]

ChavWivaLawDegree Wrote:

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> I think what happened to the little girl was

> terrible but why should every bull breed owner, or

> even dog owner have to put up with the tirade of

> dog-hating/chav-hating comments whenever something

> awful like this happens. It reminds me of the

> kind of prejudice spewed out against young black

> men (must be muggers) and asians (must be

> terrorists) that most people would automatically

> recognise as abhorrent.

>

> Why should I make choices in my life to

> appease/placate/pander to people who have fears of

> whatever I'm making a choice about? So because

> certain people are scared/unfamiliar with a

> certain class of people or breed of dog, I should

> then avoid adopting clothing/mannerisms etc to

> appear to be the same as them and seem

> un-threatening in my familiarity?

>

> No thanks.

Thank you for expressing my thoughts more articulately than I managed to.

[Dulwich_ Park_ Fairy]

I think what happened to the little girl was terrible but why should every bull breed owner, or even dog owner have to put up with the tirade of dog-hating/chav-hating comments whenever something awful like this happens. It reminds me of the kind of prejudice spewed out against young black men (must be muggers) and asians (must be terrorists) that most people would automatically recognise as abhorrent.

Its pretty disingenuous to equate the resentment people might feel for you for keeping a breed of dog that is viewed by many as dangerous, unpredictable, and unsuitable to an urban environment with the type of casual racism you have mentioned.

[ChavWivaLawDegree]

It feels the same from where I'm standing.

And if we want to make life for our kids safer why aren't you lot all campaigning to have cars banned from urban areas. They cause a lot more injury and death than all of the 'chavs' and their dogs put together, plus damage children's lungs with their pollution.

[Cassius]

ChavWivaLawDegree Wrote:

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> Is there really a need for anyone to own a 4x4 in

> London?

>

> Or a car for that matter if they are not elderly

> or disabled?

No - not really and I don't have a car and have never owned a car - I agree it is not necessary in London (although if I had several children who went to different schools then I would probably have a different opinion).

[Dulwich_ Park_ Fairy]

It feels the same from where I'm standing.

The difference is that it is your choice to risk being viewed that way. Its a lifestyle choice you are being pre-judged on and not ethnicity.

[Dulwich_ Park_ Fairy]

No - not really and I don't have a car and have never owned a car - I agree it is not necessary in London (although if I had several children who went to different schools then I would probably have a different opinion).

Me neither.

[ClareC]

is there any need for anyone to own a car in London? >:D

[James]

CWALD you just made the same mistake as David C - muddling up lifestyle choices with people's race. You can't choose your race but nobody is having a gun held to their head and forced to own a dangerous dog and wear a tracksuit and be routinely objectionable!

I personally find it patronising and the level of a 6th form debate (if not lower) to be told that because I disapprove of the "chav" attitudes that makes me a racist. This is silly and childish.

It's laughable that I'm being admonished for stereotyping by David while he stereotypes me atrociously just because I refuse to pander to his politically correct claptrap.

You seem to be suggesting that everyone who's lower class is by definition a chav. How patronising and insulting to the majority of decent working-class people.