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The thing about street food (and, for clarity, I'm referring to Borough Market-style grab-and-go street food)is that it brings a lovely sense of community, wandering around in couples or small groups enjoying quality (albeit expensive) burgers or wraps. I used to work near Borough Market and Friday lunch in decent weather was always spent hanging out round the stalls.


The other thing is it's really annoying trying to eat and walk - especially with small hands and being a slow eater, really difficult to juggle food with oozing sauces and napkin and purse and drink... I often ended up walking my burger back to the office and eating it at my desk - pointless, I know. But at least I got to wander round aimlessly for a bit.


Might just go check what the OP said.


ETA I recommend Borough Market, but I'm sure someone else already covered that

Horsebox Wrote:

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> Manze's is pretty grim, if my last couple of

> experiences are anything to go by.

>

> I'd much rather have a ?6 burger(It'll cost around

> ?10-?12 in Louisa's old money) than a couple of

> dry, mystery meat pies, 2 scoops of lumpy mash all

> covered in a gelatinous "secret' sauce.


Here we go. The predictable attack of a working class institution. I guess the fact it's been there over a hundred years makes it a failed business in your eyes? Unlike half your lovely organic pretentious cafes which for the most part are basically pop-up, because they fail within a few years of selling overpriced food and drink.


And FYI - Manzes list the ingredients of all their pies on the website and it's all freshly made on the premises. Including the "gelatinous secret sauce", which is actually made from the water the eels are cooked in and parsley. Unlike your scabby burger which has probably come from a supermarket and spent most of its life frozen on a trading estate in Acton. Well worth the 6 quid. Throw in some sat fats and you're well on your way to food heaven. Enjoy your burger Horsebox, it sounds deliciously tasty :D


Louisa.

StraferJack Wrote:

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> Reminder. Louisa you don't like Peckham. Not just

> the station but the whole street

>

> You don't like the people who live there now and

> you don't like the people you predict will move in

> after

>

> Maybe the problem isn't the current lot or the

> next lot. Maybe it's you


Oh is Peckham just a street? I was under the impression SE15 covered a wider area, my bad. Geography was never my strong point :)


I don't understand how someone can dislike the area they were born into. I had no choice in the matter, and I now only live across the border in ED so couldn't have disliked the place that much. Maybe it is me then!


Louisa.

there are good pie & mash shops and there are rubbish pie & mash shops.


there are good street food stalls and there are rubbish street food stalls.


not everyone that frequents trendy, over-priced, 'organic' street food markets is a 'hipster', not every 'traditional working-class person' frequents pie & mash shops.


in the foodie heaven that is now exmouth market, the poor old pie & mash shop that was there for donkeys has finally shut up shop. my (working-class) friend & generations of her family that grew up in that area never went there tho. so I don't think you can blame EVERYTHING on the hipster blow-ins, easy as it may be to blame them for the changing face of an area.

StraferJack Wrote:

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> You do tend to speak about the commercial street

> in Peckham alone yes. Check your posts



I also tend to talk a lot about the commercial street in ED too, over and above most other places in the area. And historically, I've also been critical of the direction Lordship Lane has taken in the last decade. It's not just about Peckham's Rye Lane. But it could do with a tidy up around the station.


Louisa.

Voyageur Wrote:

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> Louisa Wrote:

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> > Voyageur get back to your coco pops.

> >

> > Louisa.

>

> No coco pops for me Louisa - made myself a lovely

> frittata this evening. Couple of eggs and some

> left over greens - cheap as chips and Yum! :D


So basically you made a pretentious omelette. Good for you. :)


Louisa.

Louisa Wrote:

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> Voyageur Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Louisa Wrote:

> >

> --------------------------------------------------

>

> > -----

> > > Voyageur get back to your coco pops.

> > >

> > > Louisa.

> >

> > No coco pops for me Louisa - made myself a

> lovely

> > frittata this evening. Couple of eggs and some

> > left over greens - cheap as chips and Yum! :D

>

> So basically you made a pretentious omelette. Good

> for you. :)

>

> Louisa.


Get frying those chips from your shoulder Louisa - or should I say hand-cut, triple fried wedges :) Seriously though - it will make you feel much better :)

StraferJack Wrote:

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> You like to play cute when some people are on to

> you lou, but when you think your support is up,

> you play a bit harder dontcha?



OK. Poorly planned, post-war housing and neglect from local and national government. I think that this is probably quite widely accepted by almost everyone now, and was the catalyst for the regeneration project which began in the late 90s. You're not telling me anything new SJ. As for Rye Lane, it lost most of the national chains when the threat of the channel tunnel ploughing through the area was on the table in the 1980s. Government was not worried about Peckham, it didn't care.


And statistically crime is still higher than average, despite the investment which took place. But as I've pointed out on numerous occasions, the investment into that area was too little too late. The North Peckham Estate was basically a poorly designed post modern product of the late 1960s and certainly didn't help the reputation of the area. Now that's all gone, we see the lovely cosy middle-classes paying an interest. I didn't see them so interested 20 years ago.


Louisa.

fishbiscuits Wrote:

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> UncleBen Wrote:

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> > It's the ridiculous description calling what

> you

> > have described above as 'street food', just to

> > make it/yourself/said activity sound less

> boring

> > and humdrum. I might pop out and have some

> > 'premises food' later, or i may stay in and

> have

> > 'home kitchen' food.

>

> What are the alternatives?


Er exactly what it is - market stalls/vans/table top.

Manze's pies are muck... And overpriced muck at that. Trading on nostalgia and charging the earth for it. That's the only reason there's only a couple of them left. My folks brings down a consignment of steak ale and mushroom pies from their local pie shop in Cumbria every time they come...?1.20 a pie and the best I've ever tasted.


If the traditional working class food establishment's cared for their customers and served decent food at decent prices then we'd not even be having this discussion. Empty nostalgia only goes so far. People want better and are getting it.

titch juicy Wrote:

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> Manze's pies are muck... And overpriced muck at

> that. Trading on nostalgia and charging the earth

> for it. That's the only reason there's only a

> couple of them left. My folks brings down a

> consignment of steak ale and mushroom pies from

> their local pie shop in Cumbria every time they

> come...?1.20 a pie and the best I've ever tasted.

>

> If the traditional working class food

> establishment's cared for their customers and

> served decent food at decent prices then we'd not

> even be having this discussion. Empty nostalgia

> only goes so far. People want better and are

> getting it.


Cumbria. Says it all. I don't think London's traditional working classes have much to worry about the rubbish they dish out from up north. That's probably why so many northerners choose London as home, to escape the poor culinary selection. My only memory of north of Watford gap is the disgusting chips with gravy. Yummy - NOT.


These pie n mash shops are institutions which have been around for generations, they're still here today. They fed the dock workers of the East End and they provide decent good quality food at a reasonable price. They've left London but are now popular in other areas of the south-east, notably Kent and Essex. Just because you didn't grow up eating it doesn't make it disgusting or poor quality. It just means you have poor taste.


Louisa.

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