Street Food

[Louisa]

titch juicy Wrote:

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>

> surely waitrose are stamping all over the

> traditional local working class greengrocers and

> corner newsagents?

Surely all supermarkets are stamping over all independent business to some extent? That's just a fact of life, that's how the market works. That's not class related.

Louisa.

['bout now]

I do believe Louisa would like a pret-a-manger in LL, you know what with their no bread sandwiches(salad) an' all.

And you think Frittata is pretentious?

[Louisa]

What's pretentious about a pret-a-manger? It's a chain sandwich shop owned (I believe) by McDonald's? And it serves salad. Frittata itself isn't pretentious, but the context in which it was used on this thread was.

Louisa.

[titch juicy]

but a fritatta isn't an omelette

in the same way that a roll isn't a ciabatta

it might have some of the same ingredients but it doesn't mean it's the same

is it pretentious to call things by their proper name?

how odd

[Louisa]

Yes it is pretentious if its used in a demeaning context to attack another type of food.

A roll and ciabatta are both bread.

A frittata quiche and omelette are all egg based flans.

They all use the same basic ingredients and if you go out of your way to force feed someone your knowledge of a name then it's pretentious.

Louisa.

[titch juicy]

Louisa Wrote:

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> Yes it is pretentious if its used in a demeaning

> context to attack another type of food.

>

> A roll and ciabatta are both bread.

>

> A frittata quiche and omelette are all egg based

> flans.

>

> They all use the same basic ingredients and if you

> go out of your way to force feed someone your

> knowledge of a name then it's pretentious.

>

> Louisa.

haha!

[RosieH]

Louisa Wrote:

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> Who goes home from work and says "ooh lets knock

> up a frittata for tea" - no one that's who!

> Louisa.

Er, actually, me. Although I usually do it for lunch. You don't put chunks in an omelette. They're different recipes. Scrambled eggs and an omelette would be closer bedfellows, but I don't see you getting upset about that.

A pizza isn't the same as cheese on toast, in the same way that lasagne and moussaka aren't just pretentious cottage / shepherd's pies. They're similar, but markedly different.

If you'd prefer though, we can just refer to things in the generic: meat, eggs, vegetable matter...

I like meat things.

[StraferJack]

This pitch sure is slippy.. I can see the goalposts moving from here

[StraferJack]

Lawks, don't talk to Louisa about the P word!

her definition here:

http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?20,26,246208#msg-246208

[Louisa]

Pizza IS cheese on toast! Lord give me strength! A bread based product with melted cheese on top! How are they not the same? Right I'm gonna blitz a tomato and spread it over a bit of bread grate on some cheese and grill it, hey presto we have a pizza!

Louisa.

[*Bob*]

Pret a manger

You couldn't make it up.

[StraferJack]

are we witnessing an actual breakdown?

[*Bob*]

No - just recent retirement.

[titch juicy]

How dare you Louisa?!

Cheese on toast is pizza

I cannot believe you are making the humble pizza pretentious by referring to it as cheese on toast.

That's centuries of italian working class tradition you're messing with.

[Louisa]

Ah but titch juicy working class and continental is cool as you well know? It's only things like eels which are the spawn of the devil right? ;)

Louisa.

[titch juicy]

is pizza cool? how can it be, surely it's just cheese on toast?

[Louisa]

Maybe that tomato pur?e paste is the answer to coolness right? After all, it turns cheese on toast into a pizza.

Louisa.

[Jeremy]

Aw god, not the pizza thing again!

[KidKruger]

Wow !!

It was "15 to 20 quid on a take out pizza" ...even in 2009 ?

Prices must have come down since then, cos there's nothing available locally for that much.

Consistent (use of over-inflated price quotes) at least.

[AlexC]

Louisa Wrote:

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> Maybe that tomato pur?e paste is the answer to

> coolness right? After all, it turns cheese on

> toast into a pizza.

>

> Louisa.

Go on then Louisa, open a pizza restaurant that serves cheese on toast with a tomato puree base and I think you'll be getting complaints no matter what the class of the customer is.

[El Pibe]

"[people] do not want to talk about how food and class have merged into one"

Not really, people have rightly dismissed the theory and want to move on.

Food and class were as one when commoners were hung for snaring game.

Food and class were as one when people starved to death as their smallholdings got blight whilst surrounded by fields laden with wheat for export.

An increase in vendors of fresh food of provenance as opposed to frozen food of indeterminate origin isn't evidence of a paradigm shift in the suppression of the working classes, it's just, well, nice food.

I'm just as inclined to get annoyed by 'old spot gammon and triple cooked frites' over 'ham and chips' but gammon really does come in varying quality, and I'm happy to pay ?6.50 rather than ?3 if it a)tastes nice and b)isn't packed full of phenylbutazone.

What you're decrying is not the end of a certain class, for there are plenty of people of working class origin, hell might even still describe themselves as such, who are well able to tell the differnece between a turd, a polished turd and a pulled pork burrito.

I think you've just got sympathy and empathy for the poor folk left behind who can't afford anything but the turd, but your frustration is manifesting itself entirely obliquely to the real issue. You're blaming the sneeze, not the cold.

[El Pibe]

OMG am I turning into Huguenot (since his mahoosive flounce off the forum)?

[Help-Ma-Boab]

Huguenot flounced? now there's the real meat in this thread.

El Pibe Wrote:

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> OMG am I turning into Huguenot (since his

> mahoosive flounce off the forum)?

[titch juicy]

"What you're decrying is not the end of a certain class, for there are plenty of people of working class origin, hell might even still describe themselves as such, who are well able to tell the differnece between a turd, a polished turd and a pulled pork burrito.

I think you've just got sympathy and empathy for the poor folk left behind who can't afford anything but the turd, but your frustration is manifesting itself entirely obliquely to the real issue. You're blaming the sneeze, not the cold."

I think that might be the knock out blow

[Louisa]

AlexC Wrote:

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> Louisa Wrote:

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> -----

> > Maybe that tomato pur?e paste is the answer to

> > coolness right? After all, it turns cheese on

> > toast into a pizza.

> >

> > Louisa.

>

> Go on then Louisa, open a pizza restaurant that

> serves cheese on toast with a tomato puree base

> and I think you'll be getting complaints no matter

> what the class of the customer is.

I reckon if I got some posh bread and stuck some sort of welsh goats cheese and tomato and basil sauce and gave it a fancy name and served it up as Welsh rarebit I'd have the trendies flocking for 8 quid a punt.

Louisa.