Madeleine McCann

[UncleBen]

News reports the police have new leads! Dare we hope shes alive? The 3 women kept prisoner in the US for 10yrs and then found is fresh in the mind. . .

[Sue]

If she's alive, then the two highly trained and highly praised British blood and cadaver dogs who independently alerted at several places and to various items associated with the McCanns must both have been wrong .....

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/

Let's hope that finally the end is in sight and that a little girl so badly let down by her parents finally gets some sort of justice.

And that the British press grow some balls. Though chance would be a fine thing.

Shoot me down in flames people, I really don't care.

I'd love to see her found alive, but it just aint gonna happen.

ETA: And if Scotland Yard have leads to "abductors", they're hardly going to splash it all over the press unless they're totally incompetent, are they? Oh, wait .......

[????]

Here we go again......

[Sue]

Not me ....

Can't be arsed.

Either people can use logic or they can't.

Have given the links, not going to be drawn into pointless arguments this time.

Just hoping it's the end game. Just wanting the truth to be out.

And if it's not what I'm expecting, I don't really care so long as I think that justice has been done.

[UncleBen]

You never know, I mean they wrote off the US women. .

[Loz]

From the Gruniad:

Scotland Yard has identified several people who may be "of interest" in the case of Madeleine McCann, who was abducted in Portugal in 2007.

Sounds more like vague ideas for an investigation, rather than any actual useful information has come to light.

[UncleBen]

Well one of the tabloids front page headline today was that MM could still be alive.

[Voyageur]

I so hope she is - both she and her parents deserve a happy ending.

[Otta]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22576196

It doesn't sound like anything much.

[Sue]

UncleBen Wrote:

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> You never know, I mean they wrote off the US

> women. .

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So far as I know, two highly respected dogs (who had previously never been wrong) hadn't alerted to the presence of cadaver and blood in any places or to any items associated with the abductor of the US women.

In the McCann case, they both alerted within an apartment where nobody had previously died and from which a four year old girl was missing.

I stand to be corrected, as I haven't read much about the US case, and the same dogs have been used by the FBI in the past.

I believe similar dogs played a crucial part in leading to those accused of the deaths of both Tia Sharp and April Jones.

I think there is an infinitesimal chance of Madeleine being found alive, sadly, but let us hope it happens.

ETA: And of course the McCanns have informed us that the dogs are totally unreliable, so against all the past evidence otherwise, let us hope that they are right.

[Alan Medic]

She may never be 'found' but she could be alive.

[Sue]

Well let's hope that after the four million plus pounds of taxpayers' money spent by Scotland Yard on their "review" of this case, and all the money the McCanns have spent on suing people who dare to publish theories which disagree with their story, there is some sort of satisfactory resolution.

Because if after all that the answer is "well we still don't know if she's dead or alive, she could be either", that wouldn't be too helpful, would it?

Not to mention bringing no closure to anybody concerned, not least the parents and the rest of Madeleine's family.

[StraferJack]

Quids: here we go again

Sue: not me. Can't be arsed

Number of posts by sue compared to anyone else on this thread since that post... Plenty

Quids with an easy win

[Sue]

Fair enough, but the discussion on this thread seems to be about different issues.

What I meant was that I have no wish to rehash the "discussion" on the previous thread, and I don't suppose anybody else has either.

Sorry if I didn't make that clear :)

Congratulations on your "easy win" though, quids :))

ETA: And actually, at the point of the comment made about my number of posts, I'd made exactly one more than Uncle Ben. Hardly a statistically significant difference, I suggest :)

[El Pibe]

"So far as I know, two highly respected dogs..."

There's something wonderfully Alan partridge about this statement.

[red devil]

Don't go dissin' the pooches EP :)...

[Sue]

El Pibe Wrote:

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> "So far as I know, two highly respected dogs..."

>

> There's something wonderfully Alan partridge about

> this statement.

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I am actually Alan Partridge in female form :)

[Chick]

Sue Wrote:

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> Fair enough, but the discussion on this thread

> seems to be about different issues.

>

> What I meant was that I have no wish to rehash the

> "discussion" on the previous thread, and I don't

> suppose anybody else has either.

>

> Sorry if I didn't make that clear :)

>

> Congratulations on your "easy win" though, quids

> :))

>

> ETA: And actually, at the point of the comment

> made about my number of posts, I'd made exactly

> one more than Uncle Ben. Hardly a statistically

> significant difference, I suggest :)

This isn?t a discussion, it?s schadenfreude.

[woodrot]

no more

[UncleBen]

Doesn't anyone care?

[DJKillaQueen]

Yes people care, but are mindful of the last thread on this, and don't want to go back there.

Sue, this is a very good article on why cadaver dogs can not be relied upon as hard evidence without supporting forensic evidence (of which none has been found in the McCann case), and might change your thinking on the issue. The same dogs were used on the Jersey children's home case.

http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/39078055/Rebuttal%20of%20%22Fact%22%2031

[Sue]

UncleBen Wrote:

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> Doesn't anyone care?

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Yes, I do.

I care about any child who appears to have at the very least been neglected, and I cannot understand why so very much public money has now been spent on this particular one child amongst thousands who are missing around the world.

But in previous "discussions" on this forum, the usual suspects have been more keen to have a pop at me than to discuss substantive facts in any meaningful or logical way.

The Portuguese police were obliged to shelve this case because the main people concerned refused to return to Portugal for a reconstruction which would have moved things forward, plus one of the main people concerned refused to answer 48 questions.

These are facts.

There are other facts which are in the public domain and in the links I posted above. Not all the available evidence has been released by the Portuguese police, however.

Let us hope that the two police forces between them can now find out exactly what happened.

Chick - you were one of the people who seemed to take great pleasure in goading me on the previous thread, which eventually had to be deleted.

The definition of schadenfreude is "Pleasure derived by someone from another person's misfortune".

If you are suggesting that I derive pleasure from the disappearance and probable death of a little girl - not yet four - who was left alone by her parents night after night in a dark, unfamiliar, apparently unlocked apartment in a foreign country with her two younger siblings, where any accident could have befallen any of them, you are sick. I have two grandchildren.

And if you are suggesting that I derive pleasure from her parents' misfortune, I would suggest that "misfortune" is a strange word to apply to people who neglected their children and then did not co-operate with the police investigation into the disappearance of one of them.

And Uncle Ben, you appear to be stirring.

[Sue]

DJKillaQueen Wrote:

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>

> Sue, this is a very good article on why cadaver

> dogs can not be relied upon as hard evidence

> without supporting forensic evidence (of which

> none has been found in the McCann case),

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Forensic evidence has been found in the McCann case, and is part of what Scotland Yard has been looking at.

I was hoping that you would stay off this thread, particularly in view of what admin has recently said to both of us, but if you intend to continue the "discussion" of the previous thread which was deleted, please at least get your facts right.

Thanks.

ETA: And I really have no wish whatsover to continue yet again to attempt to convey the difference between "indicative evidence" and "conclusive evidence" That's why in Scotland there is a possible verdict of "not proven" as opposed to "not guilty".

[El Pibe]

like a scab, a a scab I tell ya.

let it go people, just walk away, ooh a shiny penny.

[Otta]

"and I cannot understand why so very much public money has now been spent on this particular one child amongst thousands who are missing around the world."

Because the family have done a very good job of keeping this one in the public eye, the press love it, idiots read tabloids, the PM realises that being seen to try and do something about this case will win him votes from said idiots.

That isn't even a dig at David Cameron by the way. Most politicians will do things that will prove popular, and trying to find a little girl who's name everyone knows is popular with a lot of poeple.