Madeleine McCann

[Sue]

>

> Evidence presented via the media natch - like all

> of us I have no other knowledge base.

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Many of the official police files are given in the second of the links I posted in my first post on this thread.

There is also further information in the first link I posted.

That is some kind of knowledge base.

I wouldn't rely on the media for "evidence" if I were you :))

[Jah Lush]

Posted by ???? May 18, 12:06AM

Here we go again....

Sue Wrote:

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> Not me ....

>

> Can't be arsed.

Not going to be drawn into pointless arguments this time.

Yeah right.

[Sue]

Jah Lush Wrote:

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> Not going to be drawn into pointless arguments

> this time.

>

>

> Yeah right.

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It depends what you mean by pointless.

What do you mean by pointless?

I think I made my position quite clear.

ETA: I find criticism of my posts on here purely because I'm making them pretty pointless and boring, tbh.

But if it entertains you, do by all means continue :)

[Voyageur]

Sue Wrote:

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> >

> > Evidence presented via the media natch - like

> all

> > of us I have no other knowledge base.

>

> xxxxxx

>

> Many of the official police files are given in the

> second of the links I posted in my first post on

> this thread.

>

> There is also further information in the first

> link I posted.

>

> That is some kind of knowledge base.

>

> I wouldn't rely on the media for "evidence" if I

> were you :))

I believe the balanced and informed views of experts with access to me data than we could dream of (as opposed to forum pundits) as reported in the media :-D

[Sue]

Voyageur Wrote:

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> Sue Wrote:

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> > >

> > > Evidence presented via the media natch - like

> > all

> > > of us I have no other knowledge base.

> >

> > xxxxxx

> >

> > Many of the official police files are given in

> the

> > second of the links I posted in my first post

> on

> > this thread.

> >

> > There is also further information in the first

> > link I posted.

> >

> > That is some kind of knowledge base.

> >

> > I wouldn't rely on the media for "evidence" if

> I

> > were you :))

>

> I believe the balanced and informed views of

> experts with access to me data than we could dream

> of (as opposed to forum pundits) as reported in

> the media :-D

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Eh? You think that the media base what they print on anything other than what they think will sell papers?

If you believe what the media report, God help you!

[Jah Lush]

Sue Wrote:

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> Jah Lush Wrote:

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>

> > Not going to be drawn into pointless arguments

> > this time.

> >

> >

> > Yeah right.

>

> xxxxxx

>

> It depends what you mean by pointless.

>

> What do you mean by pointless?

>

> I think I made my position quite clear.

>

> ETA: I find criticism of my posts on here purely

> because I'm making them pretty pointless and

> boring, tbh.

>

> But if it entertains you, do by all means continue

> :)

It doesn't. I would like to think there will a happy ending to this but I seriously doubt it. Saddened that this story has been resurrected and that is the last I shall say on this subject.

[Voyageur]

Sue Wrote:

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> Voyageur Wrote:

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> > Sue Wrote:

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> > > >

> > > > Evidence presented via the media natch -

> like

> > > all

> > > > of us I have no other knowledge base.

> > >

> > > xxxxxx

> > >

> > > Many of the official police files are given

> in

> > the

> > > second of the links I posted in my first post

> > on

> > > this thread.

> > >

> > > There is also further information in the

> first

> > > link I posted.

> > >

> > > That is some kind of knowledge base.

> > >

> > > I wouldn't rely on the media for "evidence"

> if

> > I

> > > were you :))

> >

> > I believe the balanced and informed views of

> > experts with access to me data than we could

> dream

> > of (as opposed to forum pundits) as reported in

> > the media :-D

>

> xxxxxxxx

>

> Eh? You think that the media base what they print

> on anything other than what they think will sell

> papers?

>

> If you believe what the media report, God help

> you!

Sue - god help you too.....

[Sue]

Voyageur Wrote:

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> Sue - god help you too.....

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Care to explain what you mean by that?

Thanks :)

[Annette Curtain]

I want to kick these :)) :)

[Voyageur]

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> > Sue - god help you too.....

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> xxxxxxx

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> Care to explain what you mean by that?

>

> Thanks :)

Nope :-)

[RosieH]

Annette Curtain Wrote:

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> I want to kick these :)) :)

But Annette, that would be active-aggressive...

[Sue]

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> > I want to kick these :)) :)

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> But Annette, that would be active-aggressive...

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:)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)):)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)):)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)):)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)):)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :))

Kick away! Enjoy! Plenty more where those came from!

[Mick Mac]

Sue - Personally I feel sad for the McCann family. Yes they left their children asleep in what was supposed to be a safe environment, but I have known some parents who have done the same. I would not say it was neglect.

They will carry the pain forever, but there is no accounting for the actions of a peodophile and to allocate part of the blame to the family is wrong.

You can't be with your children 100% of the time. There will always be opportunities for people like this who target a particular child. You just have to protect your children as best you can - but mainly hope that you are not the unlucky ones like the McCanns.

[ratty]

What gets me with this is that there are undoubtably a group of people that would like to see the McAnns punished for leaving their daughter in an apartment room whilst they had dinner close by.

So what punishment would people like to see handed out?

I find it hard to believe that there could be a harder punishment than losing your child!

[Sue]

Mick Mac Wrote:

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> Sue - Personally I feel sad for the McCann family.

> Yes they left their children asleep in what was

> supposed to be a safe environment, but I have

> known some parents who have done the same. I would

> not say it was neglect.

>

> They will carry the pain forever, but there is no

> accounting for the actions of a peodophile and to

> allocate part of the blame to the family is wrong.

>

>

> You can't be with your children 100% of the time.

> There will always be opportunities for people like

> this who target a particular child. You just have

> to protect your children as best you can - but

> mainly hope that you are not the unlucky ones like

> the McCanns.

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Mick Mac, there is to the best of my knowledge no evidence at all that a paedophile was involved, unless you know otherwise?

And sorry to disagree with you, but this was very clearly neglect. Three children under four were apparently left in an unlocked room out of sight and earshot of the parents. The parents could have hired a babysitter. They chose not to. They also had no baby alarm.

The unlocked apartment was near a road and a swimming pool. One door led to a flight of steps (downwards). The floor of the apartment was stone or tiled - very hard, anyway, should a small child fall onto it.

Whatever the intervals of checking which took place, a couple of minutes is sufficient for a small child to have an accident of some kind or to choke. Or just to wake up in terror after a nightmare with no adult in the room.

That was hardly a "safe environment". So yes, I would say it was neglect.

And you could describe it as "unlucky", but if you leave your children alone night after night in those conditions then you make your own bad luck, really, don't you?

ETA: And Ratty, actually it wasn't "close by". Well, depending on what you mean by close by, of course.

I'm sure you can google a map of the area showing the relative positions of the McCanns' apartment and the Tapas bar where they were eating.

[Otta]

Agree with that ratty.

I disagree with Mick Mack, and personally think it is absolutely wrong to leave young children alone be it in your home or on holiday. But they have lost their daughter, and that is a life sentence.

I do think there is something quite unlikable about them to be honest, but that's got nothing to do with anything really.

[*Bob*]

Sue - I've built a scale model of the complex out of matchsticks and lego, but I'm having difficulty triangulating the precise location of the child's bed.

Also - do you know what the McCanns ordered for dinner that evening? I'm just trying to build-up a picture.

[Mick Mac]

I didn't say it wasn't wrong but wrong is a subjective term. I said it did not constitute neglect. It was rather stupid and they have paid a very high price. They felt it was safe and it turned out it wasn't.

My personal view is that this child had been watched and could have been taken at some point or other. It wasn't necessarily an opportunist kidnap.

To blame these parents for the crime of another is wrong.

[stacey-lyn]

Tapas

[Sue]

Mick Mac Wrote:

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> My personal view is that this child had been

> watched and could have been taken at some point or

> other. It wasn't necessarily an opportunist

> kidnap.

>

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Well, if the people concerned had returned for a reconstruction of their movements that evening, as requested by the Portuguese Police, perhaps that "some point or other" when she "could" have been taken could have been determined.

[Mick Mac]

You are missing the point Sue. I meant, that if Madeline was "targeted", she could have been taken at some point during the holiday, not at some point that evening.

I realise this is conjecture, but children who are taken are often targeted in advance. If this is the case it can then be a case of when rather than if.

[Sue]

Sorry to have missed the point, Mick Mac :(

But I'm still not quite sure what your point is? Sorry to be dim.

Anybody "could" be taken at any time, of course, but the point of a reconstruction would have been to identify the window (no pun intended) of opportunity when Madeleine "could" have actually been taken on the night of her apparent disappearance.

ETA: Whether she had been watched/targeted or whether it was opportunist, or whatever.

[LondonMix]

I think you can never blame the victim of a crime no matter what they?ve done. Suggesting that the parents should lose custody of their other children because of what happened seems almost inhumanly callous.

If you think the parents were involved with the crime then just say that and be done. However, if that?s not your view, then all of this is rather ghoulish.

[Sue]

Nobody is forcing anybody else to read this thread or to contribute to it, LondonMix.

There are many press articles and forum threads which I have no wish to read because of their content, but I don't feel the need to slag off the people who do write them and contribute to them!

[StraferJack]

Sue. You were directly responsible for the removal of the previous thread. Some people don't have to read every thread but moderators and admin do

You can surely see this thread will end up in the same place. You said yourself at the start of this one you weren't going to get sucked in again but you surely have

Learn the lessons from last time. Heed your own advice. Listen to people telling you to let it go